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City Hall Brings Drama to Downtown Empress


 

By Hatfield McCoy

6/22/12

Dozens of people convened at the Empress Theatre on Wednesday evening, June 20th to hear what the latest Vallejo City Manager and his current team have in store for Vallejo’s historic downtown. For those of you who may not know, Vallejo is a ‘City Manager’ based town which means that the City Manager has jurisdiction over most staff members. The evening unfolded like a two act play. The drama included a widely diverse cast of characters who delivered everything from emotionally driven outcries, to poetry and tears. The play was brought to us by the already proven producer, Vallejo’s own City Manager: Mr. Dan Keen. It was directed and choreographed by his capable Economic Development Director: Ms. Ursula Luna-Reynosa; the Assistant Director was none other than Economic Development Analyst, Ms. Annette Taylor. The evening’s performance began with Mr. Keen’s introduction of his current staff. His first introduction was of Ursula Luna-Reynosa, he then introduced Ms. Taylor, and proceeded to introduce the manager of Code Enforcement: Nimat Shakoor-Grantham, Acting Planning Manager: Michelle Hightower, Fire Prevention: Charles Rivera, and Chief Building official: Mr. Gary West among other front line support staff.

 

Mr. Keen began his remarks by stating that the purpose of the evening’s event was to receive “input from the residents.” He went on to say that he thinks the downtown is “one of the most important historical aspects of the city,” calling it a “focal point for great things.” He then used the dreaded ‘P’ word which many residents are entirely too tired of hearing: Potential. Mr. Keen said that the city would like to identify some priority issues so that “we may move forward with our plans.” He then indentified Ms. Luna-Reynosa as the evening’s facilitator. Ms. Luna-Reynosa began the forum with an immediate apology for the conflicted timing with the simultaneous meeting of the ‘Public Safety Review Committee’ a block away at City Hall. She profusely stated that it was “certainly not intentional as some might suspect.” She went on to state that they would like to have a three separate meetings and take to heart the public’s input as to what should happen in downtown moving forward. The three parts would include: 1.) Assets of downtown, 2.) Challenges – both immediate and long term, and 3.) Goals to proceed with changes: A plan of action. Ursula further identified catalysts for change which could include Code Enforcement, street beautification, public safety, and Economic Development, among other things. She went on to explain that the ‘Downtown Development Plan includes some influences of ABAG (Association of Bay Area Governments) in view of the fact that the downtown is considered a ‘’transportation development regional designation’. After a power point overview of the map of downtown, she referenced the areas adjacent to the downtown including the waterfront, and the Sonoma Blvd. corridor. She then informed the public about some of the city’s investments: The Empress Theatre was given $2.8 million; Street Scapes: $2.8 million; Intermodal Transit Facility (Garage, and bus transfer, etc.): $53.5 million. “We have also improved things at City Hall with our ‘One Stop Permit’ process, our ‘Grow Vallejo Fund’ (a loan funding to help downtown small businesses) - our ‘Downtown Commercial Enhancement program,’ and the ‘Statewide Commercial Infrastructure program.’


But tonight we want to focus on downtown, so we would like to begin with your input as to the assets of downtown,” Luna said. The public was then invited to come forward to the microphones – two of which were placed on both sides of the stage. People were more than willing to give ideas and opinions, but the idea of keeping it to ‘assets only’ quickly deteriorated. Mario Salzaro (Solano Aids Coalition) was among the first speakers stating that he is going to begin a ‘Flea Market’ at the rear of the Aids Thrift store on Georgia St. “That should bring more people to the downtown,” he said. A speaker named Jason Robley said: “We have a crisis in this town which is the homeless situation. We should treat them with respect and humanity.” To that Luna – Reynosa replied that Mr. Keen ordered “trees and bushes to be cut down so that the homeless could not hide near City Hall.” Whether this is humane or not remains to be seen. Vallejo resident DeAnna Lang spoke regarding the waterfront stating “We have 92 acres of public land and a waterfront. Callahan-DeSilva has had it tied up for years as the city designated exclusive developer, Triad tied up much of downtown for years. And now we have some 67% of subsidized housing, so in my opinion, we are going to need one big economic engine to counterweight that fact.” Corliss Mucker (owner of the Class Act Boutique) said: “We should join the waterfront with downtown in development. There should be some type of theme such as a nautical theme, a Neptune statue or something. We should commission our local artists to create some nautical art and capitalize on our former Navy, the pier fishing boats, other yachts and our marina.” Long time Vallejoan, and downtown investor Jerry Grulke had this to say: “As former president of the Downtown Neighborhood Association, I have been to many of these meetings. I can remember one in 1962, in 1967, in 1974, etc. I hope these plans do not end up with the rest of them throughout history – on some shelf. As to assets, we are the gateway to the wine country, we have wonderful homes and architecture, a Mediterranean climate, a great central location and a waterfront. What we need is more community here, we need to all pick up trash when we see it, we need to know our neighbors, and to speak to our neighbors as we pass them on the street. We need to look at one another and recognize them by name,” he continued. The chair of the Vallejo Human Relations Commission, Mustafa Abdul-Ghanee spoke with passion: “One of our assets is the people of Vallejo. There are many great people here in downtown who are at their lowest point in life. We need to recognize them as human beings, and treat them as assets,” he said. A colorful speaker and artist named Shannon O’Hare (owner of Obtanium Works) spoke with enthusiasm about his art and the ‘Art Cars’ which exist in Vallejo. “I put my art cars in the Mad Hatter parade which is put on by Frank Malafrando. There are many art car artists who produce wonderful works, and much of the art is sitting in warehouses both here in Vallejo, and in San Francisco. We need to put them on display. It would be a tourist attraction. These are world acclaimed art pieces and we could get them here for free. I could help make that happen. Many artists want to bring their art to Vallejo. Let’s open up Vallejo as a bigger artist community,” he said.


Natasha Clark, owner of Dance Unlimited told the audience that she and her husband have invested a “lifetime of savings” to invest here ten years ago. But they have learned that “people are afraid to come downtown.” Luna-Reynosa then graciously asked her what had enticed her to invest in Vallejo in the first place, to which she said: “The beautiful architecture, the waterfront, the marina, the historic downtown, but I had no idea of the problems here, or I never would have come. I have had one problem after another with City Hall, it has been an absolute nightmare.” For that comment she received a resounding applause from the crowd.


On a more positive note, Susan MacDonald, Executive Board Member of the Empress Theatre, stated that she likes the idea of the ‘Arts & Entertainment Center,’ and that the Empress is doing all it can to bring entertainment downtown. “I would like to remind people that the almost $3million the city put into this building, does not even begin to touch its maintenance and upkeep. I would also like to count other artists as assets. We are proud to have the art studios known as the Coal Shed on Mare Island, and the Vallejo Community Arts Foundation. I also want to note that we have a Fiberoptics Co. here which is far better than that of Palo Alto, many people may not even know that. And finally I would like to urge people not to keep calling Vallejo a ‘gateway,’ let’s work on making it a ‘destination place’ for a change,” she said. To that she also received resounding applause. A very emotional Fred Menard, owner of the Indian Alley Antiques shop had this to say: “Let’s celebrate our diversity, and accept all people. One of Vallejo’s assets is the people here, they are wonderful and supportive. We do have a strong community. I also want to discuss the high vacancy challenge in downtown. There is an ordinance which states that we should be fining landlords who do not attempt to rent their buildings, and we just are not doing that, it’s frustrating,” he said choking back tears. Menard went on to say that he had created a cookbook celebrating the diversity of downtown: “The proceeds of its sale are going to light up the trees as you see in the pretty pictures there on the (power point) screen,” he said. Vallejo resident Monica Tipton had this to say: “The downtown is the front parlor of our town. I moved to the Bay Terrace neighborhood five years ago, and I have always considered the downtown an important area to meet, greet and shop. As an educator, I feel also that one of our greatest assets is our kids. We need to pursue a multi-agency grant which would work with the school district to provide summer employment for our kids by participating in the community. That is one of the ways young people can learn about their community. It gives them respect for the town, and increases pride. Kids need work, and they need a work ethic. A grant to employ them to help clean up the downtown would be a perfect answer. Everyone else has stated tonight about the city’s many qualities, and my house has a wonderful water view, so I am happy about that,” she said. Lavonne Salle, aka ‘the Barbie Lady’ – (owner of the One of a Kind Barbie Doll shop on Georgia Street) stated: “Assets: The Empress Theatre, the new Transit Station, the waterfront. But there is no foot traffic downtown (she repeated this fact at least four times), and there is no attention given to the empty, boarded up buildings. I have come to learn that there are just a few landlords downtown. I am not sure what this monopoly means. Maybe they will sell the whole of downtown to one big developer, but I hope the city does not let that happen. Why isn’t the city making more demands on them? I have spent a great deal of my personal money, and have depleted most of my savings here. If something does not happen pretty quickly, I will be forced to leave. And I am not sure I want to do that, but this is a desperate situation down here. Let me say also that, in my experience, there is really little crime downtown. Most of the crime happens in the middle of the night, and it often includes a smashed car window. The challenge for merchants downtown is simple: No foot traffic.” To tell her plight more explicitly, Ms. Salle read a well constructed and entertaining poem she had written for the occasion.


More speakers weighed in with comments about the tremendous public housing existent in downtown, with one speaker stating: “I have an idea, let’s take all of the HUD and Section 8 Housing from downtown, and put it out in Hiddenbrooke,” to which the audience resounded with hoots, howls and whistles. Another speaker suggested that merchants need a “cornerstone business” like an Academy of Arts, or a college campus downtown. Yet another speaker suggested that Vallejo needs a brand suggesting: “Vallejo – An all American City”. That introduction would be déjà vu because in 1962 Vallejo was actually dubbed “The most all American City,” by Life Magazine (a now defunct magazine). Another speaker stated: “I know for a fact that many people have approached this city’s Planning Department, and have been turned down to open a business downtown. Or they have been given too much hassle by the Building Department because the City staff is just trying to keep their heads down, in order to keep their jobs. I can’t blame them, but I hope that stops,” he said. A man named Albert talked about the pot holes and the poor infrastructure. “This is low hanging fruit which would be easy to pick now. It is a quick fix just to freshen up striping, painting. I have seen a steady decline over the past fifteen years throughout the city, and quite frankly, we are ready to move,” he said. B.J., the manager of the Empress Theatre, had this to say: “I moved here a year ago, and felt this city was beautiful. It ‘speaks’ to me. But now that I have been here, unless things change, I am not sure I will purchase a home here. I am amazed at the many adversarial groups who are persistently against each other. I am amazed that there are three different Chambers of Commerce who seem to be working against one another and not working together. Some merchants have even told me that if too many businesses come downtown, they fear that it will impact their business. If Georgia Street is prosperous, Virginia Street will be also. But with some 67% of Section 8 and HUD downtown, I am not sure things can change fast enough,” he continued. Kristina Naughton, formerly with the State University of Vallejo, aka- Cal Maritime Academy, said that Vallejo should celebrate its three universities here –that of her former employer, Touro University and Sonoma State and Vallejo’s Solano College campus. “We should celebrate and encourage our college communities,” she said. “As other speakers have mentioned, I am also concerned about our vacant buildings downtown, and question why they have been allowed to remain vacant for so many years. I wonder what tax loopholes exist that we don’t know about, or what other considerations these owners are getting. People are doing nothing with these buildings, and we don’t know why,” she said.


To add to some of the complaints, long time business woman and major property owner, Daisy Villaneuva stated: “I have a large inventory of historical buildings, and I market outside of Vallejo to places like Marin and Santa Rosa. But I cannot keep people in my buildings downtown because of the crime, mostly against their vehicles at night. I have thirty-two cameras in one of my buildings. One time I caught a criminal on camera, and invited the police to look at the camera to see if they recognized him. But the police would not come. Why don’t the police show up?” she urged. Tim MacDonald, also a Board Member of the Empress weighed in with the following: “We moved here in 1998 because we could buy a beautiful home that was affordable. We have come to love Vallejo. My wife has a (Graphic Arts) studio on M.I. My question is ‘Why does Vallejo get such bad press?’ We often receive calls from people way across the country telling us that they just saw something horrible about Vallejo,” he lamented. Thelma of ‘Thelma’s African Connection’ complained that there is not enough parking downtown; her customers are often afraid to walk too far, and requested that there be more signage downtown, more lights and more cameras.


Right before the meeting ended, Monica Tipton weighed in again: “There is a theory called the “Attribution Theory” which is used in education, and which psychologists have researched. Basically it is a concept wherein ‘You become what you think you are,’ – it may sound overly simplistic, but if Vallejoans truly think that they live in a great town, the town will get better. Maybe we should try that – we should fake it until we make it. If we all (psychologically) move the boat in one positive direction, we will arrive at a better place faster,” she said. Toward the end of the meeting, the current Superintendant of the Vallejo Unified School District, Ramona Bishop, appeared at the microphone: “I heard there was a party going on down here, and I wanted to come down to be a part of it. Some of tonight’s speakers are right, we need to dance and sing our own song, and celebrate all that we have in Vallejo. I am in the process of changing things in the schools; we have a rapid trajectory toward improving academics which will even include a Performing Arts Academy. We want to partner with the city and move students into employment, all types of employment. I recently took an apartment here in downtown Vallejo. And as someone once said: ‘You can’t sell something you won’t buy.’ We must make the city our ally as in any urban school district, we must partner,” Bishop said.


In final review, the City’s overall presentation experienced a great first act curtain, but it culminated into a disastrous second act when one speaker asked about the Temple Arts Project building now under renovation. This is a building more recently incarnated as a performing arts center, and historically known as the Masonic Hall, now known as the Temple Arts Project. It is an elegant structure strategically situated on the corner of Virginia and Marin Streets. The Vallejo resident wanted to determine whether or not the building was going to be eventually opened to the general public for Section 8 housing. The Vallejo City Council had voted that the Temple Arts Project would be dedicated to low income artists and only artists. “Will that change?” the speaker asked. “Because there is a rumor going around that once the project is opened, it will immediately switch to general Section 8 or HUD housing which means that a non-artist, unemployed woman with three kids will be allowed to live there, is that true?” he queried. To that Luna-Reynosa responded: “You would have to ask Melinda Nestlerode about that; she is the Executive Director of the Vallejo Housing Authority. There are many laws which the City does not govern, through ABAG and other agencies,” she responded. After all of the hue and cries about the inordinate number of low income housing within the downtown corridor, this final comment was an avenue of grave concern for the audience to hear. Indeed, it will take an overwhelmingly large economic engine to counterweight this ultra permissive mentality.

 

The next production presented by the city executive staff will be about the long and short term challenges facing the historic downtown. It is safe to say that the evening’s cast of characters, (the city residents), have already delivered some of those ‘challenge’ lines for the City to review. The ultimate question remains: Will these scheduled fact finding presentations produced by city staff actually take off in a productive direction? Or will all of this gathered information be permitted to die a sad death and end up being typed and tucked away on a shelf somewhere downtown as Jerry Grulke fears? Nobody knows for sure. But, in the meantime, is anyone out there willing to try the “Attribution Theory”?

 

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JohnD   |July.10.2012
67%??!!! If no one else will say, I will ... the downtown area should mirror general population. An area will generally attract the retail that supplies the needs of it's populace. Downtown will attract the lichor stores, 99c stores, thrift stores and marijuana dispensaries. amoung other things. The downtown will never change until that 67% changes ... a LOT!
Anonymous   |June.28.2012
For the downtown to prosper we would have to give out of town folks a reason to go there. When Harley and the VW dealership left it was the nail in the coffin for large retail. Until we bring in a large draw I believe the situation will never change and only get worse. I love Vallejo for what it is even if other cities residents look down on us.
Clarke Johnston   |June.24.2012
Any increase in section 8 housing will worsen downtown's situation. The 67% number is startling. Also, having a preponderance of rentals in the hands of only a couple of landlords is counter-productive, especially if they're being given preferential treatment, or city employees tasked with ordinance enforcement conveniently look the other way. Too, the recurring theme of high permit and business fees, combined with foot-dragging at City Hall again is heard. Hopefully Mr. Keen is catching on to this part, this is old news; and an area that needs streamlining.
Fact Please   |June.24.2012
@Uncle Buck and Daisy Dukes

You seem to know them well and has intimate information about their trip and spending.

Those information may be interesting but I do not care much about it. Can you provide some info about their downtown holdings?
Osby's Role   |June.24.2012
quote: Vallejo Mayor Osby Davis called the annual trip a success because it could result in the additional federal funding needed to complete the city s long-awaited Vallejo Station project.

I have no problem with getting the grant but we need to EXAMINE what are associated cost. It is not FREE money.

http://www.examiner.com/article/solano-officials-lobbying-trip-to-d-c-called-a-success
Based on deceit   |June.24.2012
Re: Temple Art

If there is a problem with Temple Art, then either the project was passed by deceit or by incompetent staff review or BOTH. Some people need to take the accountability.
Fact Please   |June.24.2012
I agree with In The Know.

Since several are complaining about Buck's buildings, give us a list so we can see for ourselves. We want to make sure he is not wrongfully accused.

Instead of posting "Vegas" garbage which has nothing to do with Vallejo and he can burn his money for all I care, give us some fact about the address.
67% is too much   |June.23.2012
67% of Section 8 is too much.

67% is the number we need to highlight and remember. No one can justify this number.

Let's remember 67% is too much.
Anonymous   |June.23.2012
blow it up along with city hall and fire those doofs taylor, hightower, et al.
anon   |June.23.2012
Its all about billable hours and grants
In the Know   |June.23.2012
Which buildings that Buck owns are being aloud to sit vacant. Provide this forum with a list of addresses. Then we can find out how accurate these allegations are.
madi   |June.23.2012
If one or 2 people are monopolizing and holding up development, someone in city government is in someones pocket or needs to take these property owners on and we the people will be happy to back them up.Find this out and make it public.
There needs to be a committee to court and go after a big brand store,an anchor store to pull other businesses in.And don't stop until we get one!

If the landlords would put the town first and greed second, reduce rents and the city stop charging exorbitant fees for 2 years, affording each business pay a part of their rent for some kind of protection patrol we
could build downtown much faster.
The excuses that city government have given is repetitive at best.How much money has been wasted in the past on feasibility studies?
People we need to stop with the nicey nice with elected officials and hold them accountable or kick their lazy,bought butts out now!
There's reasons or results. It's that simple and the reasons are getting stale.
Time to take City Hall on with people who won't take no for an answer.
Talks cheap we need action... like yesterday!By the way there's no mention of when the next meeting is going to happen.
Could someone please post
it.I didn't know about this one.And I read the paper on line,the free Herald which has zip in it. I'm sure if this meeting was more publicized more people would have been there with more ideas and energy.Change starts with "all" of us!
Salty Dog   |June.23.2012
Whatever the motivations may be or the criticism that they may receive, I give the City a pass on this one.

Is there a problem with the downtown core and surrounding area? Yes, massive. And for a number of reasons already discussed.

But, if you are in a position of leadership and have a desire to make a difference and want to be part of a positive change....the first item, obviously, is to develop a plan of action.

And, since this is a civic issue and involves all residents, the very first action is to hold public meetings to initiate some inclusiveness and to get a sense of public
concerns.

It then behooves leadership to create a Strategic Plan with specific actions and timelines- something that the public can accept as worth working towards.

And, part of that Strategic Plan includes ensuring that all the various publics take part in its implementation through specific mechanisms that initiate, monitor and assess.

Of course, that takes leadership and an ability to organize and rally the various talents and forces that can be brought to the issue.

Whether or not we are seeing the initiation of that leadership, through the City Manager and the full support of the
Council remains to be seen.

IMO.
Enough   |June.23.2012
this is the same song which the city has been singing for over 20 years. I thought we had a plan in place for the Waterfront and the downtown. But Callahan DeSilva who has the waterfront tied up, thanks in part to our current mayor, refuses to develop. There was a waterfront coalition that resulted in decisions in 2003/2004, or maybe 2005... but what? We are shelving all of that? Triad had a deal, but the Mayor decided he didn't like them and told the city to cancel the contract, resulting in Triad suing the city for over $10 million. Where was the discussion about this?

And to hear
the crap about the Temple Arts studio? I was in the chambers the night the city council voted to approve the project.... it was based SOLELY on the representation of the executive director of that project that the spaces would be rented to low income artists only, and the artists actually had to apply and provide a portfolio of some sort. If it converts solely into an apartment house for section 8 and HUD, the downtown will be lost forever.

I realize we have a new CM, and a new Economic Development Director, etc. etc. etc., along with new employees, who may want to hear first hand
citizen input, but come on, are we going to recreate everything again, postponing it another 15 years? USE WHAT IS ON THE BOOKS..... FINE THE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ARE NOT LOOKING FOR RENTERS/TENANTS COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. And lets get city hall in shape so new legitimate businesses can come in and without hassle or waiting MONTHS, and MONTHS, at a cost of thousands, actually start a business.

And, Daisy Villaneuva ? She is complaining? Her rentals are the worst, cops called all the time, drugs, crime, nuisance, yelling She does nothing to build up her residential rentals. Put
pressure on people like her and the other owners and let's just shut up and move forward. Enough.
Anonymous   |June.23.2012
Where is the National Historic Preservation Act Section 106 Report on the cumulative adverse impacts of Federal HUD money on listed and eligible National
Register Properties like the downtown and the adjacent heritage neighborhoods????? It is the law. Oh right, the City of Vallejo entered into a Certified Local Government Agreement with the Feds and the State that they will be responsible for that. But that Agreement is used to divert attention from the real intent to meaningless window wars. NHPA Section 106 is the responsibility of....tah tah...somebody in Craig Whittom's empire.
Vallejo In The Future   |June.23.2012
The Green Megacity
http://www.popsci.com/futurecity/plan.html
Whose Heads ?   |June.23.2012
re: Temple Arts

If temple Arts project has any problem, whose head should roll? City attorney? or/and Housing something something? If they allow the vote to go through without any advices, they are not fit for the job.
Uncle Buck and Daisy Dukes   |June.23.2012
Yes sir-ree bob, that's right our downtown is being held hostage by good old boy Uncle Buck and his sweet cousin Daisey Dukes... No occupied bulidings, always under a remodel or being red flagged by the city for sub par conditions. These two have got it goin on, hold onto the property get the huge tax write off, and then sell it all off to a developer. You know, to be quite honest with you, I dont care if Uncle Buck and Cousin Daisy do sell off to a big developer, as long as the bulidings get restored and used and bring up the downtown. We can tar and feather the two of them once they sell
everything...

Um, wonder if counsin Daisy would be up to high kicking it in Vegas, perhaps Uncle Buck could give her a ride in one of his vintage luxury automobiles...

Viva Las Vegas Baby!!
wharf rat   |June.23.2012
Performing life support on a patient who has been dead for 25 years will not work
it is what it is and it is what WE made it
when all the commerce moved to east Vallejo
it started the death knell of downtown
then bringing Govt subsidised housing
fattened up a few property owners at the expence of he whole area the evolution of downtown is an example of exactly what not to do the taxpayers were sold out decades ago and are over invested in the project downtown must stand on its own its demise is greed related .
Bass Ackwards   |June.23.2012
Heard that the city was encouraging development of downtown. So, I relocated my business downtown 5 or years ago. Went to city hall and discovered that my license fee was about twice the normal amount. I was told that downtown merchants voted to tax themselves for some kind of restoration association.

Where I came from, you give businesses incentives through tax and fee breaks. Not by doubling them.

What drove me out? Crime.
Lawsuit   |June.22.2012
The question that needs to be asked, is, why did the COV council majority 3 years ago(Hannigan, Davis, Sunga, Schivley, we know its them since the ohter three at that time--Bartee, Gomes, Wilson--had to recuse themselves) rip up Triad's contract in closed session? And, Triad is naturally suing since they dumped $10 million into the downtown. What is the chilling effect that must have on the downtown? What's going on with the lawsuit????? Especially now that redevelopment is gone? Is the COV now liable?
I love Vallejo   |June.22.2012
We need to use one of the bigger buildings downtown and move the Police Department there from where they are currently. We used to have a Police building there and I think it is time to bring it back downtown! That would help tremendously in terms of people feeling safe when they go down there and businesses would follow the lead and open up down there!
Anonymous   |June.22.2012
Something stinks in regards to the downtown vacancies. When buck was challenged on this issue he said his buildings were in the process of being remodeled. Natasha, or someone else maybe, challenged that statement claiming he hasn't done anything in years.

What kind of preferential treatment is this guy getting? Why is allowing buildings to sit vacant acceptable? What can the city, building inspectors, cose enforcement do to light a fire under this guys big butt. If downtown is truley an asset then the revenue potential is going to waste.
Anonymous   |June.22.2012
re: "She went on to explain that the 'Downtown Development Plan includes some influences of ABAG (Association of Bay Area Governments) in view of the fact that the downtown is considered a ''transportation development regional designation'."

re: "There are many laws which the City does not govern, through ABAG and other agencies," she responded."

Hahahahahaha.. The ABAG/MTC/BAAQMD/BCDC "superforce" cannot be denied.
Anonymous   |June.22.2012
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