Missed opportunities that keep us on the dock


By Chris Platzer

7/18//12

 

In  2008 Lennar Mare Island (LMI) asked the City’s help in making Mare Island  a commercial hub and a job center.  By the end of March 2008, Lennar announced it was ceasing railroad activity on the island because it didn’t think spending $11 million on fixing the rail on MI made any economic sense.  At the time, Councilman Bartee publicly stated that doing so would mean missing out on a huge opportunity to create thousands of jobs on Mare Island. Fast forward to 2012 and the recent Council session studying opportunities to develop MI. The public learned that northern MI is a complex tapestry of parcels owned by various entities in various stages of clean up, demolition and repair.   And the City has expended a lot of energy exploring the use of MI as a solar farm, a free trade zone and an assembly center for solar panels, as well as, a religious theme park and a residential seaside village.  But alas, economically difficult times and a lack of funding has stymied these project.  But we did learn that a company called Mare Island Rail Service has been trying for a year to spend $10 million of its own money on rail improvements on MI.

 

LMI vision for the portion of MI under its control is of a secluded-residential  community with a thriving waterfront commercial district resembling Jack London Square. But with the collapse of the housing market and the banking debacle of 2008, LMI has had to shift gears.  Today, MI is home to 90 businesses and 2,036 jobs that have been created since the base closed in 1996.

 

We, the citizens of Vallejo, should demand from our City Council and Staff the creation of 10,000 jobs on MI by the end of the decade. Create a grass roots campaign and call it, say, “10,000 in 2020” and amend the land use plan for MI to reach this goal. With support from citizens and city leaders, we can make MI the vibrant engine of economic growth that it was for 150 years. The use of MI as a port facility would be the catalyst to this end and should and must include rail service.

 

MI’s strategic location - the convergence of the Napa River and the Sacramento Delta  at the Carquinez Strait, access to the Golden Gate and the Asian markets beyond, along with the close proximity of the S.P.  RR and I-80 – makes it eminently suited to the intermodal reuse as a port facility.

 

Currently, there are several businesses that could expand their operations, add more jobs and create competitive advantages by savings in transportation costs if they had access to rail services.  For example, Alamillo Rebar, Inc. could receive materials by rail, creating transportation savings and getting trucks off the road. The same would be true for ALCO, Allied Defense Recycling, XKT, Earthquake Protective Services and many more.

 

Additionally, the docks and the existing cranes on MI allows for the import/export of containers, scrap and break bulk materials on short service, shallow draft ships. This was an idea that was proposed to the City by Santa Rita Shipping in 2006. We should take a page from the city of Pittsburg and model the Port of Mare Island after it. Pittsburg has a dry bulk terminal that generates revenue and jobs for the city. Why not create a Mare Island Port Authority that has the power to turn MI into a tax generating and job making entity?  Imagine also what kind of port MI would become if the Army Corps of Engineers were to dreg the channel to allow deep draft ships to tie up. The possibilities are staggering.  At the Port of Oakland, rail, trucks, trains and ships converge into the third largest port facility in the country supporting tens of thousands of jobs.


To those who would feel inconvenienced by traffic delays that might be caused by 100-car long trains on the MI causeway or other intersections in town, just visit Jack London Square and experience the trains that run along the waterfront.  


Whatever development or reuse happens on MI has a direct effect on the waterfront  and the development of our downtown.  They are all interrelated. When need to think of rail service on MI holistically and we don’t need to stop there.  Imagine for a moment if the railroad tracks at Sperry Mills were bent north and the tracks leading to the Mare Island Causeway were bent south and ran the length of the waterfront and converged at the ferry terminal.  If that happened, then the Vallejo Station would be the primary transportation hub for the North Bay. When you have ferry boats, buses, bikes, cars and light rail converging you have a regional transportation system allowing you to get from the waterfront to downtown Napa in 22 minutes by rail. And if that happens, then you might envision a revitalized downtown where tourists from Napa travel by rail to dine, sight see and otherwise spend their money in Vallejo. If nothing else it would make Vallejo a gateway to Napa Valley.  Let’s make Vallejo a better place than it already is and let’s start with a thriving Port of Vallejo and a regional light rail system. 

 

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Clarke Johnston   |July.25.2012
Don't think that Vallejo can hang it's hat on any "Napa Valley Gateway" moniker or image. American Canyon is closer, and even for them it's a shakey perception. After watching the gentleman speak last night at the City Council meeting regarding the rail, he made a really good point. That although Vallejo will likely never become a giant container port along the lines of Oakland, Long Beach or Seattle, there still exists a strong need for smaller ships, such as grain, manufacturing assemblies, and other palletized type cargo. Also, our proximity to highway 37 and I-80 gives us an access
advantage, squarely between San Francisco and Sacramento. Frankly, we could do worse than to build a huge modern truck stop on the north end, not unlike the ones throughout the midwest, with repairs, tires, fuel, restaurant, connected parking, vehicle washing, etc. Since the truck stop in Cordelia closed, the Bay Area has become less friendly to our over the road shippers. We should step in, and as Henry J. Kaiser said, regarding his bright pink cement trucks: Find a Need & Fill It! Combined with a rail link, the north end could be bustling, and bringing in tax revenue left and right. An idea
on these lines is significantly more viable, likely, and realistic than "office space" (Lots in Walnut Creek), "Arts" or "Music" visions, Bio-Tech, or even the usual "Mixed Development" package, depending on Condos, apartments or other real estate. (Lots of that everywhere) So, while there certainly are details to be ironed out, both use-wise and environmental, it's none to early to think ahead. Councilman McConnell asked last night about both when the disaster of a building at the north end gate would be torn down; and also if the burned building had leached
contaminants into the soil, or the water used by the fire department had, either. Answers were promised to be forthcoming. Either way, unless there exist strong due diligence reasons that would stop a rail idea, it will be interesting to see how any future council votes fall. Councilman McConnell also noted, correctly, that Vallejo has had, over the years, no shortage of reviews, studies, commissions, consultants, citizens committees and the like, yet, nothing ever seems to come of it all. He's right. Make a plan, and start moving forward.
Vallejo Heights   |July.25.2012
Gee, last night's City Council meeting saw two presentations on the expansion of rail services and the reuse of Speery Mills as a break bulk terminal, also serviced by rail. We should embrace both and move forward. 10,000 by 2020. We can do this! But let's not do either because it might kick up some dust!
Childrendeservebetter   |July.24.2012
Will th rail construction kick up any of this kind of dust:

Lennar, meanwhile, has not endeared itself to the neighborhood. Starting in 2008, a subcontractor for the company did heavy grading that kicked up clouds of dust, including puffs of pulverized serpentine, which contains naturally occurring asbestos. Local activists maintain that the dust caused nosebleeds and rashes. And assurances from the EPA, San Francisco Department of Public Health, and Bay Area Air Quality Management District that it did not pose a health risk have done little to alleviate their concerns. In the San Francisco
Bay View, a local paper that calls itself
Mr :)   |July.23.2012
"tourists from Napa " Business that appeal to tourists are rarely profitable as tourists usually have a choice about where they can go and chose the venue that makes the least profit off them. Tourists are also high maintenance require extra police and given the complaints about the MMDs bringing in people who litter and ect, you won't like tourists. The only time tourism works is if you have wealthy locals that patronize those locations, and tourists are just extra consumers that use the same facilities. End of my little anti tourist industry rant.
Firebug   |July.23.2012
avatar Newsflash to VH,
Mare Island closed in 1996 get over it.
Vallejo Heights   |July.23.2012
Yes, because in September of last year MI Railrod Service approached the city with a business plan to spend $10 million of their own dollars to build a RR loop on North MI. If north MI is the most "viable" part of the island then why has it been more or less sat dormant since the base closed? The most viable part of MI is Area 5 and the most viable use for it is light industry focusing on the maritime industry being serviced by ship, truck and rail! Don't you get that part? Or do you selectively forget what it had been used for 150 years as a Navy base?
Firebug   |July.23.2012
avatar So you advocate the City commit one of the most viable areas of Mare Island to a company that cannot even provide a business plan?
Vallejo Heights   |July.23.2012
You can write the best business plan in the world with rosy projections about growth, etc. but no one can perdict the future, so why wait?
Firebug   |July.23.2012
avatar Any reputable business will have a business plan outlining their growth complete with the numbers of hires they would require for such growth. The fact that apparently such a plan does not exist I think we should be very very concerned. What is wrong with waiting before signing? Could be another case of vapor.
Vallejo Heights   |July.22.2012
You are so right anon! Let's do nothing. Let's pay a consultant to study this. Then watch a PowerPoint presentation about doining nothing and the benefits thereof. Sorry for bringing this up! The less we do the more we get done! LMI will figure all this out. And that dust up you are referencing are the dreg ponds LMI had to fix to build the MacMansions! You know the ones that sold for about 900k that you can now buy for 300k!
Anonymous   |July.22.2012
Link to article quoted below:

http://grist.org/cities/2011-07-16-greening-a-city-and-pushing-other-colors-out/
Anonymous   |July.22.2012
Let's not rush this.
Will the rail construction be kicking up dust:

Lennar, meanwhile, has not endeared itself to the neighborhood. Starting in 2008, a subcontractor for the company did heavy grading that kicked up clouds of dust, including puffs of pulverized serpentine, which contains naturally occurring asbestos. Local activists maintain that the dust caused nosebleeds and rashes. And assurances from the EPA, San Francisco Department of Public Health, and Bay Area Air Quality Management District that it did not pose a health risk have done little to alleviate their concerns. In the San
Francisco Bay View, a local paper that calls itself
Anonymous   |July.22.2012
Typical of economic hitmen
Vallejo Heights   |July.22.2012
Did you actually read the article? There are 4 existing entities specifically identified! I have a great idea, let's not do anything until those businesses actually commit to a date and a quantity of new hires! Better yet, don't allow the RR to come into MI until those businesses expand and hire in anticipation of the RR improvements. What exactly is it that you are talking about or expect? The only commitment that is on the table so far is MI Rail Services' willingness to invest 10 million of their own money to create the infrastructure for expanding business opportunities on MI. Thank god
you are not on the council!
silasbarnabe   |July.22.2012
avatar So really without names and commitments we really have no proof that the expanded railraod will actually bring jobs.... unless someone can name the company...the amount of jobs, the month, the day, hour they will come......
Vallejo Heights   |July.22.2012
@silisbarnebe

I will speak to the pro rail road side. If you embrace the idea of "10,000 by 2020" (articulated below) you might frame the question in terms of what kind of business wouldn't want to settle on MI? We already have 2,000 plus jobs on MI. I can think of atleast 5 existing companies on MI that could expand their business and add more employees if the rail infrastructure were expanded and upgraded. As to what kind of businesses would be attracted because of the convergence of rail, trucks and ships, the first that comes to mind is the wine industry. Just look at the
businesses around the Napa airport for a start. You could also imagine Area 5 (those buildings along the water from the causeway to the Army reserve depot) being home to more light industry and machine shops because it already is. What you won't see coming to MI are all those cool green tech companies that are popping up in mid-Market St. And south of Market! And why is that, might have something to do with SF being a cool place to live and work. Making MI an attractive place for small to medium light industrial shop would add to the goal of 10,000 jobs by 2020.
silasbarnabe   |July.22.2012
avatar At least with the movie studio there was no question as what kinds of jobs would wind up on Mare Island. I am waiting for the Pro railraod folks to step up and at least explain where their brethren failed in the LNG debate and tell us what jobs specificlly will wind up on Mare Island if the Council agrees with no specifics to approve this plan.

Can someone that is a pro rail project person tell us what company is ready to start up shop if our council approves this plan? Would it be too much to ask (being that we were lied to with the LNG proposal) what company is coming to MI, How many they
propose to employ, and could they tell us what day, what month, what hour they intend to bring these jobs considering the country is facing a real 15 percent unemployment rate with an actual loss of industrial jobs...
Anonymous   |July.22.2012
What's to say the North end of Mare Island needs to be developed at all??? It was a salt marsh for thousands of years and only filled during WWII. It is sinking back into the bay and anything built there would fall apart because of liquifaction during the next quake on the Rogers Fault. You really can't ever hit bed rock so friction piles are the only option for support. Expensive!!!!!! Not economically feasible for tilt slab industrial buildings.
Anonymous   |July.22.2012
There are an infinite number light industrial uses that wouldn't require a railroad or the destruction of a healthy environment to live near. Vallejo could never develop a port to compete with Oakland Or San Francisco. The job numbers are made up. Insisting that the city promises the creation  of 10,000 good paying jobs by relying on the good faith promises of the slugs that want to build the rail would be a great mistake. You can bet that the monies are coming from corrosive industries waiting on the sidelines for this proposal to be shoved up the aspirin of Vallejo. If the project is
supported by Bartee one should be very wary. He seems to always benefit at the expense of the city. 
Clarke Johnston   |July.22.2012
Geesh. Lots of folks pointing out that the LNG horse is dead, time to stop beating it. Okay then. Come up with a reasonable solution for light industrial development on Mare Island that provides steadily increasing manufacturing growth and the attendant jobs and tax revenue. As another poster noted, our future may not be in one large "savior" but rather creating the environment that attracts numerous smaller companies and investors. I'll accept that. But back to the RR issue. If someone can explain how the rail project bears trademarks similar to previous "development" plans
put forward by huckster developers with fancy plans and glossy photos, then please expand on how we're being duped or mislead. How is this Vallejo's version of the Simpson's famous "Monorail" episode. Are we being hoodwinked? Ideas expressed herein that Mare Island be a base for "office space" don't mesh with current reality. The real estate market has plenty of open leasing space available. Just cruise on over to Walnut Creek and help yourself. Other notions that Mare Island become a sort of bio-tech hub also seem a stretch. Unless you can attract the likes of Bayer or
Gennetech, good luck. In fact, larger firms, whatever their research or manufacturing line, are tending to leave California entirely, heading east to Texas, Georgia, Utah, and other "tax and regulation" friendly states; which California is not. No other state, except perhaps for New York, has more pernicious paperwork and regulations, rules, stipulations, fees and reports. All of this collectively works against this state, and Vallejo along with it, to drive business out. (Well deserved Thanks to the Sacramento Legislature, who continues to operate with their head in the clouds) In
fact, Copart is leaving Cordelia soon, headed for the Lone Star State, so there's your nice office space, ready to go with freeway access! (Oh, and one of those credit agencies, Moody's or Standard & Poors, this past week lowered CA's credit rating to the BOTTOM of all 50 states) Yes, less than all those fly-over states many local residents snort and chuckle at. Lowly Arkansas, Oklahoma, Indiana....pick your fave, okay? So, if the opponents of the LNG wish to congratulate themselves on their wisdom, foresight and shrewd vision, then okay. So be it. But, moving forward be realistic about goals.
I think it's harder to make something than to tear it down. Easier to launch RPG's at ideas than to put forward viable options. As it stands right now, the north end of Mare Island looks like post WWII East Germany or perhaps the abandoned town of Chernobyl. We've got to start somewhere, move forward. Right now, that's not happening. All we've collectively done is shoot down a handful of decent suitors. Find another, then.
Anonymous   |July.22.2012
The Mare Island Railroad company would destroy the possibility of a reasonably clean mixed use island. Dirty industry,higher noise levels and toxic air would be wafting into the neighbor's across the river.this not what we moved to Vallejo for. I was also impressed with the community response to LNG.
moto velo espidi   |July.21.2012
great discussion.

The mare island railroad company investment for infrastructure is a positive development. I welcome this. I have invested in my home in Vallejo like many of you. I do not hold the Title to my home. The bank does on a 30 year loan. That is a large portion of my life. Much like you, I have an idea of the bustling small city I want to be a part of. I welcome Heavy Industry to the island. When the enterprise complies with the Law to operate, we all will prosper.

I spoke at a meeting of the council that was reduced to a quality of life issue. I felt put off by my council. This
selfish request by me for the quality of life issue for proper traffic markings according to federal, state and city ordinance and well manicured properties according to city ordinance is an important idea to understand. This place could deteriorate to raw sewage collection site. I do not want this for the return on my investment. How about you?

Heavy Industry on Mare Island can work. We have learned a lot from science and industry for best practices of land management for the profitable return on investment. Be it bicycle paths and radio flyer wagons for children or a nice dividend check
from our stock certificate.

I digress.

Best regards..................
wharf rat   |July.21.2012
The whole LNG plant was a smokescreen put up by Bechtel , it was in fact to be a peaker plant (a high demand period power plant )and could run on several fuels including nat gas , diesel , crude oil
Bechtel assumed Vallejo would not put up such a strong opposition to the project
when they encountered this they brought in
their public relations hit squad and hired many locals to support them . The employment projections were BS the plant could have run with 3 to 4 people per shift . This was a joint venture between Shell and Bechtel it stands to reason Shell would use the least expensive
fuel
as in the most dirty one to power it .
Anonymous   |July.21.2012
I think I can hit the causeway bridge with a shoulder mounted rocket launcher from my back deck.
Anonymous   |July.21.2012
Deja vue all over again. Where have I heard this before? Big bold solutions are needed; big bold people willing to take risks are required otherwise we will not have jobs, jobs, jobs. Oh yeah,I remember. Once upon a time, the guys that created the atomic bomb decided it needed a "peacetime" use so they proposed building a harbor in Alaska with one of the new big ones. They got all those Sarah Palin types all excited with the "big, bold people in a bold frontier" talk. Only the native people weren't buying it and asked a lot of questions. The first ever EIR/EIS was prepared to
placate them. But it instead concluded yep, the Inuit were right. So "big, bold" Projects are frequently stopped by thoughtful citizens. The bottom feeders may be back, but we "stupid" citizens who are not worthy of being consulted (because obviously we won't get it) are ready.
know vallejo   |July.21.2012
rocketman, you forgot the religious theme park.
rocketman   |July.21.2012
An idiot named 'anonymous' puts forth a definite point of view. The $150 million+ investment made by homeowners in Vallejo was 'dumb', as he put it, and they should all move away from Mare Island. They might be happy to do so--just pay them fully for what they paid for those houses. Then the place is ALL yours. Then you can put a ring of railroad tracks around the LNG plant AND the casino and run trains across the Causeway all day & all night if you wish.

Maybe someone should ask the golf course owners and players, the parents of children at the elementary school, the school district
employees who work at the school district admin offices, and the folks at the VA Clinic how they view these schemes. Wonder if the City considered THEM to be stakeholders of value & interest?
Mousy   |July.21.2012
That Vallejoans had successfully fought off LNG was a reason I moved here. It showed that people here were willing to band together and push back. Which is what we need to change things.
silasbarnabe   |July.21.2012
avatar Wow Flashback to 2002! This debate has killed many a dead horse. For those that need a history lesson.

http://www.vallejocpr.org/

As I recall the pro-LNG folks couldn't even get their facts straight about the revenue or long term jobs. Long term employees turnedout to be less than 100. The revenue one percent of the $1.5 billion was $15 million which(was not told to the public) had to be divided between the City, County, School District and other Special tax Districts. This meant Vallejo could be getting less than $5 million in revenue which wouldn't even fund 20 cops. Sorry I'll take some
more car dealerships which could provide the same revenue with a lot less risk and head ache. We could use another Ford,Volkswagen, or Subarau Dealer in town more than we need LNG.
Anonymous   |July.21.2012
I hat to break this to you. No one cares about the dumb home owners on Mare Island. We care about jobs. Not minimum wage or make no money art shops. Crappy retail, real jobs with a real future. I would move if I lived there.
Mousy   |July.21.2012
So your argument is that because it is being shipped it isn't as dangerous as being stored? Do you think it's made or converted the moment the ship pulls in? Minus the ships the fundamentals of operation are the same. It has to be stored and processed for the ships, only in Cleveland in 1944 it was for the local gas system instead. Shipping is actually more dangerous, as you don't have "hard" connections connected to a pumping system, increasing the chance of human screw up. Ever not tightened a hose enough?

As an engineer here's the drill on LNG.

Natural gas is cooled to the point
at which it condenses. If odoerant was added previously, it will fall out during this process as it has different chemical properties, and because it can damage the tanks and pipes. Natural gas is naturally odorless, so unless something is smelly is added you can't find a leak. The process also strips out some of the impurities of the gas so it burns hotter than natural gas straight from the ground.

So if the LNG is being pumped and a leak develops you've no way of detecting the leak naturally via your nose. No odor can be added when it is liquid that will carry a long to the gas. LNG will
expand by 1600 times as it sublimates so a small leak will cause a large cloud of gas. Because it's been so cool it will lay low at ground level, not dissipating like the warmer gas in your pipes. Odorless and waiting for a source of ignition. Particularly dangerous at night when it can settle in.

You can't place enough combustible gas indicators around to make an area fully safe if you can't smell it. It isn't like radiation where you can test a general area.

LNG is a fundamentally dangerous product. I'd feel more comfortable with a nuclear plant than LNG. At least with uraniam rods people
aren't messing with them every day and you can easily test for radiation, along with the huge engineering and regulatory hurtles. LNG doesn't have the same level of safeguards, and the entire point of it is transport, which is the most dangerous aspect. To date it has killed all lot more people in this country than nuclear. We would have sacrificed our town as a place people want to live to a place of inherent danger for a few jobs.
Anonymous   |July.21.2012
12000 residents said no to LNG. We aren't interested in becoming the armpit of Richmond. The foreign registered ships would be fouling the air and making our asthmatic children suffer. This is based on science not emotion. The shell spokesperson told us not to worry. He said the smokestacks were so high that the pollution would be dropping down in Fairfield.
Nice huh.Vallejo is better off without LNG. But keep uP the propaganda. Your're waking a sleeping giant. Prepare to get your asses kicked.
Anonymous   |July.21.2012
Why do people continue to beat the dead horse known as LNG. Even if the city wanted it it is illegal. Move forward for a change.
Clarke Johnston   |July.21.2012
The LNG debate, on which the side I consider Vallejo to have been a loser from both the construction jobs and the long-term ILWU dock jobs.....Good Grief. Those of you CERTAIN that an LNG plant would be a magnet for terrorism or just blow up on it's own accord: How do you sleep at night living in such close proximity to the Union 76/Conoco Philips plant in Rodeo? Do you know what's there? Ammonia and Chlorine in industrial strengths 100 times stronger than what's under your sink. Oh, let's not forget the giant round propane tanks the size of XL Napa Valley balloons? At least two of those
there. It's all about risk, management of that risk through safety practices, and, too, benefits to society. If we all followed the fear-mongering displayed here, major projects would NEVER get off the ground. Your Hoover Dam, the Panama Canal, your Golden Gate bridge, All modern feats of engineering, know-how, and CAN-DO attitude, none would exist. The Chicken Little "sky is falling" mindset is so debilitating. Especially for a city like Vallejo, that needs an open mind, a willingness to change, to remake ourselves. Would the LNG plant have had it's risks? Certainly. Could something
untoward happen? Certainly. Could people die, too? Certainly. Putting the LNG dock aside, what's crippling Californians is this weird combination of NIMBY mixed with Greenish "we'll all drive electric cars" utopian anti-growth, anti-business, hippyish way of thinking. The Sacramento legislature has bought into this with their insanely immature mandate affecting future car sales, which will mandate that a certain percentage be zero-emissions vehicles. How's that new Volt working out for you? Affordable? Remotely practical? *Right* A hybrid, like the Hyundai Sonata, doesn't cost the
moon, has lower emissions, and is practical. It's a reasonable, economically viable compromise that works, and fits people's budgets. Same for the Prius, though owners of that car could be a lot less Pious. (!) But, back to point: If the nay-sayers and fear-mongers rule the day here locally in Vallejo or through-out California, our growth and development will continue to mold and die, thwarted by regulations and lawsuits; stillborn by worry and fear. This isn't the American spirit that won WWII. It's a new phobia, debilitating our spirit and drive.
Anonymous   |July.21.2012
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, by John Perkins--the shocking real-life story of how America built an empire on third world debt
Carpetbaggerwatch   |July.21.2012
Vallejo Heights is an economic hitman -read the book. Major corporations sent these guys all over the world to convince people of the economic benefits of their self-serving projects that ultimately destroyed communities turning them into toxic dumps for the benefit of share holders. They cook the books,and play on the fears of a community. Don 't fall for it or we will smell like the old New Jersey Turnpike and Vallejo will no longer even qualify for a "gateway status". The carpetbaggers are pouring back into town.
rocketman   |July.21.2012
The biggest financial investor on Mare Island are the homeowners--by FAR! Probably $150 million or more. Nothing else comes close.

Yet the homeowners of Mare Island were NOT deemed to be relevant stakeholders in the City's so-called stakeholder meetings. The rail & other proposals had been worked by City staff for MONTHS, essentially in SECRET. Lennar knew about it, too, and they were keeping their yaps shut about it when in direct contact with Mare Island residents.

The rail proposal could have a small chance if another bridge for vehicles & pedestrians only is built, and a massive
design effort is made to isolate the residential & recreational areas of Mare Island from all the rest.

What is NOT going to happen is for Lennar & the City to build and SELL 270 $700,000 houses, then have them boxed in by railroad tracks, mile-long trains, blocked roadways, and heavy industrial operations & ugly laydown areas. This kind of thing was tried several years ago--it cost Lennar millions of dollars.
Vallejo Heights   |July.21.2012
When did the last LNG tanker blow up? It is stored at 250 degrees below C. It dosen't ignite in the form it is being shipped in! Basic chemistry here, how do you convert a gas into a liquid? There are three states of matter, go on Wikipdedia and find out about matter. BTW, everything is just a matter of time! If you live long enough you might just see the collapse of the entire international monetary system! I do want to move on and kick start the RR improvements on MI. That I might actually lived to see! I could care less about LNG for MI, it was dead from the get go because of the depth of
Pinole Shoal! From your point of view we should worry more about the three refineries surrounding Vallejo and the industrial accidents that happen there combined with the prevailing wind direction. I want this conversation to focus on rail and building out a port facility for MI. 10,000 in 2020. Did you miss the whole intent of this discussion?
Move Along   |July.20.2012
@Vallejo Heights, so you needed to clarify your untrue statement made with a reckless disregard for the truth about LNG safety only because Mousy called you on it. LNG HAS proven to be deadly. Any ignition of LNG could burn people to a crisp within a one miile radius.

As for transportation safety, it's just a matter of time. Pirates are taking LNG tankers over (one just this past June) and some people have tried running small boats filled with explosives into them. The government sees LNG tankers as floating terrorist targets.

"A terrorist attack on an LNG tanker would have the
force of a small nuclear explosion," according to the chairman of Lloyd's, a British insurer of natural gas port facilities."

So stop the whining already! Thank god we didn't get an LNG plant and put a terrorist target on Vallejo. It's over, done, finished. That was NINE years ago and some who wanted it are still moaning and groaning. Move along.
Vallejo Heights   |July.20.2012
Mousy, my reference was to the marine transportation of liquified natural gas by tankers. Thank you for the history lesson. Here's one for you, Port Chicago. Be careful when loading explosives. Oh, how about The San Bruno gas explosion. Anon, so let me understand: there is a low probability of a high impact terrorist event from happening and a high probability of a low impact terrorist event from happening. Anything that hard can't be easy. How about trying this one on for size: a pill popping pilot driving a container ship into the bay bridge, or a truckload full of gasoline blowing up on the
MacArthur maze. How did the topic of reinvigorating the RR digress into you telling anyone willing to listen that terrorists are a threat to the American way of life and you are the only one smart enough to know that. Gee, what about those shoulder-launched missile touting terrorists renting a house in the San Bruno hills and just picking off all the flights in and out of SFO! The threats are everywhere. Are you being followed by black helicopters?
Anonymous   |July.20.2012
Actually it was the guys from Homeland Security touring the GGNRA that told the NPS rangers assembled that a "shoulder mounted rocket launcher" could easily hit a small tanker sliding under the GG Bridge. This meeting occurred after 9-11 had everyone a bit paranoid about what target might be next and the Homeland Security guys were briefing us NPS about security "challenges" regarding the Bridge. The discussion moved to the proposed LNG tankers and the Vallejo plant. Homeland Security was very interested! So don't get snarky because I was standing there with those guys and
reported exactly what they said.
Mousy   |July.20.2012
Perfect safety record? How about 130 people killed in Cleveland in1944? Leveled a full mile of the city.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_East_Ohio_Gas_explosion

Perfect safety record. Ha!
Vallejo Heights   |July.20.2012
They shut down the Port of Boston when the LNG tankers come in so that in the event something does happen they have a safety perimeter, which BTW is a Coast Guard requirement! Do tell me more about those shoulder-fired missiles. How many of the are there on these shores? Where did they come from? Are there sleeper cells of terrorists operating in the GGNRA? If you know of any you should immediately contact DHS! As an American you have a patriotic duty to do so.
Anonymous   |July.20.2012
You said it, the whole port of Boston shuts down to ensure the safety of the LNG tankers. That includes shutting down a bridge and a flotilla of Coast Guard escort boats. Now project that scenario onto the Golden Gate where a shoulder rocket launcher can easily cover the entire area from any one of a number of public places along both sides of the GGNRA. Plus closing not just one but three major bridges. And you call that "SAFE"????
Look Inside the City - VHA   |July.20.2012
re: Vallejo's biggest problem is that the regional powers that be have decided that our role is to be a place to dump all the poverty and social problems.

I have seen this type of statement before and when I asked for the details, I got nothing.

All the focus is on OUTSIDE of the city, a God-like entity. Is this a distraction so we do not look INSIDE the city,..e.g VHA and city hall?
Vallejo Heights   |July.20.2012
While MI Straits may not be deep enough for a 900 ft conainrer ship drawing 35 ft of water and carrying 3000 boxers, it could be if the Army Corps dragged the channel. Oh, I forgot, pier 1 & 2 at the south end of the island have over 50 ft of water at low tide. Nah, it would never work. You might remember it as the site for the proposed LNG terminal. You know, the target for terrorists to blow up and send a flaming burst that would have devastated all Vallejo. Ignoring for a moment that the LNG industry has a perfect safety record and when LNG Tankers call on the only LNG terminal in the
country the entire port of Boston shuts down to ensure safe passage. The LNG terminal on MI was not viable because of the Pinole Shoal ( not deep enough). What about shallow draft vessels like barges? They could call on the port of Mare Island and import/export cargo. Oh silly me, they alreadydo. Gee, I wonder if they would need freight trains to move their cargo?
Who actually decided to make Vallejo the home port of the poor in the bay area? There are a lot of poor people in Vallejo because it remains a cheap place to live. And what is keeping them in poverty is a lack of jobs. "10,000
in 2020" would create jobs and attract people who want to live close to their work. Increase the demand for housing in Vallejo until demand outpaces the supply of housing will drive up housing prices. Increasing housing costs and values over time will drive out the poor and impoverished. Building out the existing RR on MI is a step toward the goal of "10,000 in 2020."
Anonymous   |July.20.2012
I think being a visionary is a really good thing...imagining things that are not there and saying why not? But reality is a Bi...h. The reason Vallejo will never have a port like Oakland is that the Napa River Straits are not deep enough for big ships or containerships to turn around. Dredging is difficult because the USNavy threw so much stuff overboard that the river bottom is toxic waste. The Big Four moved the Intercontinental Railroad to go through Benicia in the late 1800's, by-passing Vallejo. The bridge across the Carquinez Straits in 1927 put us back on a transportation spine. Now
siting is done based on proximity to major highways, especially intersections of two major highways. We have two major highway intersections and they are both underutilized. Imagine trailer courts and parking lots as the "highest and best use". Now about that LNG plant people seem to keep whining about. It was a "no go" the minute Homeland Security got wind of the possibility 900' LNG tankers sliding under the Golden Gate Bridge a couple of times a week. After the terrorist attack on New York, Homeland Security was pretty paranoid about the symbol of western expansion into the
Pacific. Vallejo's biggest problem is that the regional powers that be have decided that our role is to be a place to dump all the poverty and social problems. Until we fend off the "farmers of the poor", we will never survive economically.
Vallejo Heights   |July.20.2012
Thanks for enlightening me. You mean the place where the tracks go east thru Jamison Canyon over I-80 near the Bubweiser plant and link up with the SP RR in Suisun, or turn west and go past Sears Point along 37 all the way to Navato, or go North to St. Helena, turn south and go all the way to Mare Island. You are right, tapping into this existing rail infrastructure would make no sense what so ever in terms of moving freight and passengers along these corridors. Gee, the lack of vehicular traffic on any given day between Vallejo and Napa along 29 thru American Canyon clearly supports you point
of view.
Anonymous   |July.20.2012
@Vallejo Heights - MTC Final Rail Plan is more current (2007). The fact is, Napa Junction is where the intersection from east-west (Ignacio to Fairfield) and north-south (Vallejo to St Helena) is going to be ans is the North Bay focal point.

2015 System Map Without HSR - http://www.mtc.ca.gov/planning/rail/downloads/7-07/2015_NoHSR-NoStn.pdf
2030 System Map Without HSR - http://www.mtc.ca.gov/planning/rail/downloads/7-07/2030_NoHSR-NoStn.pdf
2050 System Map Without HSR - http://www.mtc.ca.gov/planning/rail/downloads/7-07/2050_NoHSR-NoStn.pdf
Vallejo Heights   |July.20.2012
Really, Napa has more rail potential then Vallejo. Let's see, Vallejo's population is larger and is more strategically located. BTW Napa Junction isn't in Napa, it's in American Canyon. In case you haven't noticed, Vallejo already has rail. What is being discussed hear is the building out of existing infrastructure. The MTC can write whatever they want. If you really want to read something then read the "Napa/Salano Passenger/Rail Study" of April 14, 2004. It's about 800 pages.

"Some men see things as they are and say why. I dream things that never were and say why not." RFK
Anonymous   |July.20.2012
@ Vallejo PDA - In other words, the final MTC Bay Area Regional Rail Plan (2007) doesn't include Vallejo until at least 2030. Low potential for a potential Vallejo to St. Helena train service (2030 to 2050 estimate is 3000 to 4000 passengers annually). No Light Rail for Vallejo because there is no plans for Light Rail and to electrify the tracks in Vallejo, and low ridership potential. If anything, Napa is where MTC sees the rail potentlal as Napa Junction will be the focal point, not Vallejo downtown.
Anonymous   |July.20.2012
Bay Area Regional Rail Plan Final Report
http://www.mtc.ca.gov/planning/rail/RegionalRailPlan-Chapter7.pdf

North Bay Corridor - The North Bay corridor between Marin and Solano Counties has low to moderate ridership potential. Only one rail service alternative was tested in the North Bay - an 'X' service plan including an east-west line with a timed transfer to a northsouth
line at Napa Junction. Plan Recommendation: Preserve corridor in near term and develop rail services in phased plan over the longer term.

North Bay Corridor
Anonymous   |July.20.2012
Bay Area Regional Rail Plan Final Report
http://www.mtc.ca.gov/planning/rail/RegionalRailPlan-Chapter7.pdf

North Bay Corridor: The North Bay corridor between Marin and Solano Counties has low to moderate ridership potential. Only one rail service alternative was tested in the North Bay - an
Anonymous   |July.20.2012
@ Vallejo PDA - Vallejo is NOT going to get rail of any kind anytime soon.

Bay Area Regional Rail Plan
Vallejo PDA   |July.20.2012
Since ABAG has deemed Vallejo as PDA, lets exploit every facet of the PDA designation, trains, ferry, zip cars, bikes, light rail you name it, lets get it all in Vallejo, use the States money, combined with private sector monies, ignore the low income housing, Napa ignores it, no penalty so far and they dont intend on building any low income housng soon. MOVE IT ALONG FOLKS, WE ARE NOW A PDA!!!!
Anonymous   |July.20.2012
BAY AREA REGIONAL RAIL PLAN
Tech Memo 4g: Summary of Capacity Issues on Bay Area Regional Railroad System
http://www.mtc.ca.gov/planning/rail/downloads/tech_memos/4g_Capacity.pdf

"Low density corridors are those with either minimal freight or low passenger use, usually offering only peak hour service, possibly only one direction in the morning and the other direction in the evening. This type of corridor will have freight with non-electrified regional commuter operations. These corridors include: The Smart Corridor, Ignacio to Fairfield/Suisun, ST. Helena TO VALLEJO, Tracy to Los
Banos, Santa Cruz to Watsonville Junction, Castroville to Monterey, and Carnadero to Hollister."
Anonymous   |July.20.2012
@More train stuff - Amtrak is NOT coming to Vallejo. Capital Corridor from Sacramento to Bay Area will have Benicia train station soon. According to MTC's long-range train study, Vallejo isn't going to get that kind of train traffic anytime soon - whether highway 37 from San Rafael to Benicia or highway 29 from Vallejo to Calistoga. Not financially feasible and no proof of ridership numbers.
Vallejo Grand Central Station   |July.20.2012
Vallejo could be a "Grand Central Station" of the Bay Area. Come to Vallejo for the Amtrak, the Ferry, Zip cars, Bikes and train service up Valley to Napa and Sonoma counites as well as the Napa Air Port. If we make transportation easy, folks would want to live in Vallejo just for the ease in commuting to other areas for work and for pleasure. The entire area surrounding the commuter hub would become lively with folks spending their money at local shopppng. It would be easy to have the Ferry pull up to the East shore and pick up passengers and then pick up passengers at the West
shore on Mare Island for a complete connection of trains and ferries etc.

Whooo Whooo, click, click chug, chug... All Aboard!!!!!!!!!!!
More train stuff   |July.20.2012
If the rail is expanded at Mare Island by the Mare Island Train Co, we should also make sure that we try to get a major Amtrak or commuter train line station on Mare Island, folks could board there, and also trains and engines could be repaired there.

Bring it all on, Trains, Ferries, light rail, zip cars, bikes should all be accessable at Mare Island. Good Grief we are the transportaion hub of the Bay Area, and now ABAG-MTC has made us a PDA. Lets do it all the way and really become a real transportation hub, it could be really great. Impose some citizen benefits such as a commuter train
or Amtrak on the Mare Island Rail Co plans, it could be a "win win," NOT EVERYTHING IN VALLEJO HAS TO BE A TRAIN WRECK!!!
Railroad crossings   |July.20.2012
When I was growing up in Oakland and Alameda, I was late to school at least once every week due to a train crossing or a bridge raising. My mom said "we need to get up earlier, folks are working, it's our job to make sure that we leave in plenty of time. If trains are running and bridges are raising it means folks are working and thats a good thing." Old timers tell me that back in the day when Mare Island was running at full tilt, you could not drive down Tennessee street with out hitting every red light as the traffic all over town was so heavy, folks were going to work. Its one
of the reasons a mini towntown area was bulit on Tennessee, folks could not get quickly to the downtown, so they made a pit stop at the shops on Tennessee.

So we cant have it both ways, lots of jobs and no traffic. We should never complain that there is too much traffic, does it actually mean there are too many jobs???

Get over the train traffic, it is what it is, we should all wish for such problems....
Vallejo Heights   |July.20.2012
BTW, when the waterfront redevelopment plan was being discussed before the planning commission, Bob McConnell asked Asst. Ciry Manager Craig Whittom if light rail along the waterfront was viable and he was told by Mr. Whittom that Vallejo was best served by buses! So the council could have slipped light rail along the waterfront in to the EIR for the waterfront redevelopment plan and meet the Cequa reguirements you are talking about. You do remember the Calahan Desilva plan to revitalize the waterfront, you know the one with the subterranean parking structure, raped in retail, capped by four
stories of condos, next to the conference center beside the 200 room luxury hotel. Oh that plan, the one that got Gomes elected and to date has accomplished nothing more then the wonderful Vallejo Station. A parking garage which was finished months ago but has yet to open because they can't get an elevator to work or figure out what to charge for parking.
Vallejo Heights   |July.20.2012
Light rail feasibility between Napa,Vallejo and Fairfield was studied by STA in 2004 and was deemed to be entirely feasible but too expensive to realize. How exactly would cars, trucks and buses create havoc for a light rail system? They can all coexist! Look at the existing infrastructure that won't have to be built: the causeway bridge with rail tracks on it, the underpass below Sacramento St., the underpass below 37, the under pass below 29, the over pass from Jamison Canyon over I-80 to Susiun. So why not build out the existing infrastructure on MI to make it the economic engine to creat
jobs? Your opposition to light rail along the waterfront sounds to me light the opposition to BART in the 70's. Have you no vision or hope for Vallejo?
Anonymous   |July.19.2012
Seequa is the California Environmental Quality Act, or CEQA for short. The Federal law is the National Environmental Protection Act or NEPA for short. Both set forth the requirements for dealing with the impacts or effects of a proposed project. There are special provisions for transportation projects. When a Project is proposed, the lead agency (who ever is pushing) completes an environmental checklist that covers the whole range of protected areas including historic resources and salt marsh harvest mice. If the answer is "yes" to any question, then an EIR must be done.

Yes, there
was an electric trolley that ran from downtown Napa down Georgia Street to the water in the early 1900's. Model T's chugging along on mud roads at low speeds were no match for electric trolleys. Today's cars, busses and trucks would create a havoc for trains. But, no matter, all those tracks were pulled up years ago. So light rail downtown would be a whole new Project. You need some serious population densities to make light rail work economically. Plus the Napa Valley has long blocked the Wine Train running into Vallejo so we could never count on them to chip in. Do we really need another
economic money drain? What Vallejo has is two standard guage railroads, one of which is designed to nuclear warhead transfer standards. Let's build on that.
Vallejo Heights   |July.19.2012
You can't go to city hall and demand to see a response to an RFP. I guess if you are a city council person you can. But J Q Public can't. And didn't you say that you don't need a Cequa if you are refurbishing existing infrastructure? Help me out, don't you need a Sequa if you are doing an EIR? I got it, let's hire a consultant and pay $100k for the answer to this vexing question!
Anonymous   |July.19.2012
Have any of you who is demanding that this RR proposal move forward seen the proposal? Have any of you seen the agreement they're asking the city to sign without doing CEQA?
Vallejo Heights   |July.19.2012
Let's see! Does the Port of Oakland's 40,000 plus jobs benefit Oakland? You tell me.
Anonymous   |July.19.2012
Does Oakland get a lot of benefit from their port/fright business?
Clarke Johnston   |July.19.2012
I'll take a little, or even a lot, of commerce-caused traffic congestion over what we've got now: Blight and rampant crime. Besides, trains are cool!
Vallejo Heights   |July.19.2012
Don't you want to have those problems? You are talking about the impact that trains would have at 3 intersections: Tennessee & MI Way (Sacramento no problem there is an underpass), Sonoma @ Nebraska and finally Broadway. Gosh, let's talk about those problem! Problems which we don't have yet! Did you know the single biggest property tax payer is the RR company that owns the right of way that already exists in Vallejo. Open your eyes and stop being so closed minded!
Anonymous   |July.19.2012
Growing the railroad? Just remember where those trains will be traveling.... through the city of Vallejo to get to the Tennessee bridge to cross over onto Mare Island. Follow the tracks in Vallejo..... and think of running trains 24/7 and all of the impact and consequences of that type of traffic at the volume the MI Railroad company would need to increase to over 100 to 200 cars. If MI was a port, then cargo bins would be transported out and in 24/7 and places - land - would be necessary for storage. Warehouses, storage, cargo bins, trains. This would not be limited to the north end of
MI, but impact the city. So when you consider a new industry or expansion of existing businesses, just remember.... there are consequences... good and bad.
Anonymous   |July.19.2012
Several points I agree:

1. Do not expect a savior. There is no free lunch. If we tie all our hope on one, we may have another LMI. Have a plan and let smaller developer do their parts.

2. Don't build more, re-use.
Let us look at our inventory first before proposing building any more new things.
Vallejo Heights   |July.19.2012
Those "dangerous tain tracks" actually used to exist. Go to Vic's Wheelhouse and lock at the mural showing train tracks running to the waterfront, or look at the photograph of the train sitting on a pier at the foot of Georgia Street where the ferry terminal stands today. In fact there used to be something called the Vallejo, napa Benicia RR. These were electric trains. One of which ran from the ferry terminal up Georgia Street and took a left on Sonoma where it terminated in Calistoga. Gosh I think they got rid off it because those tracks were so "dangerous" or was it because
of the car? Go to any European city and you will find light rail coexisting with crowded pedestrian areas. Look at the west coast cities that have light rail along the waterfront and tell how dangerous it is to walk the waterfront in San Diego, San Francisco and Portland. Even car happy Sacramento and San Jose have light rail going thru their downtowns. Give me a break! Panning light rail along the Vallejo waterfront because it is to dangerous is ridiculous. Walking in downtown Vallejo after dark is dangerous!
Mousy   |July.19.2012
What Vallejo doesn't have is office space. Good old fashioned, run of the mill office space.

Subdivide. Fix the zoning issues. Actually plan for access and utilities. You know, like a Master Plan. Don't expect some magic developer to swoop and and fix Mare Island.

Let individual developers build campuses or office buildings. Don't expect a savior, expect lots of small ones. Let people bite off the subsidence issue in small chunks.

And you know what? That actually might happen.
Anonymous   |July.19.2012
sorry I was unclear. You don't need an EIR to reuse existing infrastructure; just for new alignments. This was in response to the idea that folks keep floating of a rail link along the Vallejo City Waterfront where none has ever existed. So that needs a big time EIR that addresses the negative impacts of severing the historic relationships between the historic City and the water with dangerous train tracks. Not gonna happen.

In this economy, it appears that politicians and developers are trying to prime the pump with the idea that more new construction is needed to allow Malthus to correct
the pension problem. That is the problem with the ABAG/MTC plan. The reality is that Vallejo has plenty of vacant or underutilized buildings in every catagory. We don't need to build more until that inventory is fully occupied...and I don't mean with whatever bottom feeding trash wants to take advantage of Vallejo (again).
Slow and Steady   |July.19.2012
So they want to put a circle railroad track around the perimeter of the last bit of large, open developable land in Vallejo? That's a great idea for the industrial part of the island, but what about the inside of that circle? What tax revenue generating businesses would want to go there encircled by rail cars? So that leaves warehouses? What's the plan?
Slow and Steady   |July.19.2012
"We don't have to wait years for right-of-way acquisition, EIRs and Federal grants because we can reuse what we have."

Just because you don't want to follow CEQA or other laws, doesn't mean you can. This will get the city sued in a hot minute. There are a lot of people with great sounding opinions here that aren't backed up with facts or reality. It's great to have strong opinions, but rational and critical thinking is important.

I didn't see a council saying "no" on Tuesday, I saw a council saying "let's do it right." If it's a port/industrial concept that is the
future for this new economy, then plan it properly, do the EIR, and get on with it. I'm glad they are looking at this with level heads.

We've seen developers come into town flashing money and grand ideas, whether it's movie, medical or railroad execs. Learn from the past. Vet the ideas, make sure they have real money, see if their plan works for the whole north end and the island in general, then move forward. Flashing money, getting GOBs to front the project with their Chamber "any money is good money" crowd is enough to make me pause and want to move carefully.
Clarke Johnston   |July.19.2012
@Not Realistic: While steel and heavy industry certainly has taken a hit, your idea doesn't necessarily hold any more water, either. Many biotech jobs and research are going to places like India, Brazil and China, where the educational standards are higher than, say, Vallejo. You're singing the same tune that sold Americans NAFTA and other trade deals....that we'd all be working in cubicles using spreadsheets, crunching numbers. Well, that didn't work out either. Satellite and high speed internet technology shipped those jobs overseas, didn't they? As I mentioned earlier, the West Coast is
strategically placed to benefit from the flood of products being imported from the far east. Vallejo only needs a little bit of that to help ourselves. No reason that Long Beach, Oakland, or other ports have to get all the pie.
Not Realistic   |July.19.2012
Heavy industry is not the future.Forget the past--the old Mare Island is dead.

Somehow Vallejo needs to get higher tech industries ,biotech etc to move to Mare Island.Ideally white collar industries that require a lot of people is what we need.

Putting in a railroad switching yard etc is a waste of land in the long term.
Mousy   |July.19.2012
Tourists do not a transportation system make.

You need commuters to break even or else rail or ferry is a tax money pit.

Tourists can help the bottom line during the off hours but they can't provide the revenue to keep it going.
Anonymous   |July.19.2012
You all are missing the opportunity for water transit. Venice operates with a fleet of water busses. Imagine Vaporetti running up and down the Napa River Straits picking up commuters and tourists alike to get them to rail and big ferry terminals.
Anonymous   |July.19.2012
The rail lines are already in place. The RR from what was once a ferry hub near Sperry Mills leading into the Napa Valley was built in 1866 by developer Sam Brannan to bring SF vacationers from a ferry landing here to his new resort in Calistoga. It is all still there. Just add trains. Or, add a tourist train from the center of Mare Island where there already is a ferry landing in addition to the railroad tracks. We don't have to wait years for right-of-way acquisition, EIRs and Federal grants because we can reuse what we have. The historic core of the island can't be bulldozed and
transitioned to industry because it is protected by Federal law. So what's wrong with a fabulous hotel in the old Administration building so the Napa Valley tourists can spend a bit of money here. Add a few docks for those floating hotels. We don't have to have an economic monoculture. Diversify, diversify, diversify.

I note that a new book is out on the historic Napa Valley. Guess what folks. Vallejo and Mare Island are within the Napa Valley according to the experts. We should tell Mike Thompson that Vallejo, not American Canyon, is the gateway to the Napa Valley. This is all politics.
For years, our neighbors have had no respect for us but the recent changes at the ballot box may have them taking notice. The up valley democrats need Vallejo's votes to keep them in office. In the past, they have rested on the Vallejo unions to control the votes but that is fraying so our new politicians should attend a few parties and explain our paradigm shift to the the up valley GOBs.
Kent Fortner   |July.19.2012
Great write up, Chris.

I was at the meeting as well, and if I understand it correctly, there is $8MM in clean up to be done on the North Island. I also heard that the transfer of the North Island from the Navy is now scheduled for 2016 at the earliest. Also, the whole North Island is landfill, and requires piers under all construction. Drive on the island, and you can see how far the road has sunk when you see the manhole covers that stick up--they are sitting on piers that kept them from sinking like the road around them. Also, there is no real working infrastructure on the North End
(electric, sewer, water), so that has to be put in. All this would add significant costs to any development there.

I think it is important math to realize that a $10MM investment by the rail company (or any company) is not going to get them very far given all these challenges. (That said, perhaps rail is one of the best fits, because it hopefully can ignore some of the development pitfalls that would impede other kinds of projects? )

So, while I agree that rail could be a great idea on Mare Island (and I'm a resident who would have to drive through it to get to my house!), we should make
sure that the Rail company understands the significant costs involved, and has the stamina, knowledge, and resources to make it happen. This is a site that requires a sophisticated developer. We have been led down the garden path before by Cancer Centers, etc, and it turned out they didn't have the proper resources, and we wasted lots of time while they locked up the land with unfeasible projects. I hope the Rail company has such resources and expertise, but I really hope even more that the city vets such things before it commits to far.

One other note/clarification, I believe there is a
serious misunderstanding out there regarding Lennar Mare Island's ownership; and related, perhaps a misperception on the $11MM rail investment. Indeed LMI have the residential plans. And indeed they have a Jack London square/retail vision. But their land also contains the dry docks and a lot of other heavier industry that they are obviously eager to utilize/lease, Rail can be a critical part of that. In fact, LMI eventually was the one who brought rail back to the island, I believe, when they landed Alstom as a client (servicing am track rail cars, no less, as mentioned in a previous post).
More globally and more importantly, LMI only own the middle 1/3 (or so) of the island. The rest is city, Navy, or otherwise owned--the City having eventual ownership of the North Island when the Navy finishes transfer. Chris, your article could suggest that LMI forewent $11MM because they didn't see rail as good for the island. I don't think that's entirely accurate. I don't know all the details, but if LMI said no four years ago to wanting to spend $11MM of their own money on rail, it was because the investment wouldn't have been supported by THEIR portion of the island (which seems likely
true), not because the overall island didn't deserve rail. At some point, it's up to the city to invest (not likely given city fiscal issues), or to at least get all the stakeholders to the table to iron out a deal to get rail that serves all. I actually believe, from what I heard LMI say, that LMI is supportive of exploring any plan to develop the north end, including rail, provided the developer has the resources to follow through on their investment. LMI is not without blame in the failure of Mare Island to date, but let's make sure we're not using them as a catchall scapegoat, which turns
our attention away from the real hurdles and solutions.

That meeting was a great summation of the issues of Mare Island (particularly of the North End). Hopefully with this new focus and city acumen, and with a little help from the economy, we can finally get things moving down a feasible path. The City is supposedly going to explore a port idea like the one advocated by Chris in the article, and that seems a very good start. I'm on board with 10,000 jobs by 2020.
Anonymous   |July.19.2012
Rails Create Economic Development
www.tradecorridors.com/benefits-of-rail/economic-development/

Freight rail is critical to commerce and the health of local, national, and global markets. No other form of ground transportation can move the sheer volume of goods and products to the global marketplace like freight rail does. Rail fuels economic growth safely, efficiently, and in a more environmentally responsible way.

As the economy grows, so will demand for freight transportation. The U.S. Department of Transportation forecasts demand will rise 88% by 2035 from 2002 levels. This will
inevitably create a strain on the nation
Clarke Johnston   |July.19.2012
Increasingly, trade is focused from the far east. With Vallejo's strategic location in the Bay Area/West Coast, there simply is NO WAY an investment in rail and shipping infrastructure can't, over time, pay off with job and tax dividends for this community. It simply has to be. Residential visions no longer hold the keys for revitalization in this economy, as the foreclosure crisis continues, with many Americans still under water and others loosing their homes entirely. As Clinton campaign strategist James Carville once noted "It's the economy, stupid". Well, it still is.
Equipping Mare Island to Produce = Jobs = Tax Revenue = Paved Streets/More Police/Better Schools/You Name The Benefit.
Heavy Industry   |July.19.2012
Mare Island was created for "Heavy Industry" and although I dream about it having all the lovely retail and nice shopping as well as more upscale housing, I cannot get past the fact that for 100+ years it was used for "heavy industry." Projects that I dream about, will face stiff EIR demands and would most likley delay a project not to mention waste away millions of dollars trying to retro fit an area that is "heavy industry" into light commerical use. We have lots of places in Vallejo that could use redevelopment by a good private developer, the Sperry Mills is prime
water front property, not to mention placing a wonderful shopping center complex in our downtown, with such shops as Trader Joes, wine shops, bakery , book store etc. Can we not show interested developers the postential of buliding and redevelopment in our towntown area???

The Mare Island Rail Car co proposal to loop the north end, is not "very sexy" but I do understand the tax revenue and the jobs it could create, as companies are seeking to get trucking off the highways, trains and water taxi are going to be very important as we "green up" the Bay Area. Perhaps returning
Mare Island to it's heavy industry roots would be the best thing we can do to guarantee that the Island survives and thrives. Many companies at Mare Island would benefit from train transport, including our new company Blu Homes.

Here is another idea, why dont we have Amtrak pull into Mare Island and have a station and major repair depot at Mare Island??? Folks in and near Vallejo would now have access to Train, Ferry and bus line. How about Zip Cars located at the Amtrack and Ferry Bulidings? Zipcar up to the Napa or Sonoma Valley, also zipcar our bike at Mare Island to see all the
historic landmarks and museums.

I hate to admit it, but perhaps Heavy Industry is the best proposal for Mare Island, it makes since and these types of projects could move forward much quicker than others. Lets fill up our downtown with light retail and "sexy shopping and eating hubs." We have lots of great space in the 12 block downtown, lets use this space for what it is intended for.
wharf rat   |July.19.2012
The missed opportunities are the ones We have missed for the past 15 plus years while Lenar had their plans focused on residential development , the only thing the COV Staff knows how to do . Many firms have been interested in relocating to Mare Island and have been rebuffed and repelled
FOR GODS SAKE HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN ?? it is clear there is no agresive move to lease property only in the last 6 months has anything been advertised by Lenar
for the last 15 plus years it has malingered waiting for their non focused residential development crap . it is time to KICK Lenar out of town and get
some real industrial real estate People
on the ball along with a realistic and revised / realistic plan for economic development . Many groups want an exclusive for the north end this is simply a way to tie up property , gambling on a big pocket to come along
to be fleeced . The unused buildings continue to be stripped and rot away
how much time is reasonable ? I think 15 plus years is beyond reasonable and a good reason to declare "non proforma "
for the Lenar realasionship . Get rid of them and get some real industruial real estate People on the job . Mare Island compares favorably
with many main bay
area property costs , often some %30 less and has a great location ...
Anonymous   |July.18.2012
Well written Chris. I agree with your conclusions about economic activity and the proximity effects to Vallejo's downtown. It is interesting to consider the concept of an "economic radius" as your post suggests. The idea of installing a rail hub (meaning raw and manufactured goods moving through the economy) in close proximity to our downtown is great!

If there are people in our country willing and able to spend 1 Million dollars on our Mare Island then I say council APPROVE THIS PLAN, PLEASE!
Sperry Mills Info   |July.18.2012
Did not know anything about Sperry Mill so I did a little research:


The address is :
800 Derr St, Vallejo, CA 94590

and

http://vallejomuseum.blogspot.com/2011/03/vallejos-flour-industry.html
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