10/21/12 - Marvin Clouse lives directly next door to the house at 2504 Alameda where this morning's officer involved police shooting took place.

Here is his perspective on the incident.
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Lisa   |October.29.2012
This was a family member of mine, i just feel sorrow. Jason was a sweet person, not sure what happen but we just lost our Granny and it's been hard. Whatever Jason is going through,I'm praying for him.
Clarke Johnston   |October.24.2012
Sure enough, at last night's city council meeting, during public comments, residents speaking out about the Mario Romero matter drug this latest shooting into their cause du jour; attempting to link, in the public's minds eye, the two incidents as further proof of rogue, corrupt and racist police officers running wild around town, wantonly killing innocent citizens, well, just because that's what they do/ Murdering, some called it, missing the distinction between a "killing" versus a "murder"
To Anon 30   |October.24.2012
Don't forget your tin foil hat.
a block away   |October.24.2012
anyone who points a gun at a cop should be shot (real or fake, if it looks like a gun it looks like a gun,) and is going to be shot. I've never met a bad VPD cop, but im not a law breaker so i don't have problems. The only problem with VPD is that there isnt enough cops out there. I'm glad the cops took care of business. I'm sick of the crime out here. to whom it applies: quit defending your blood and your friends, right is right and wrong is wrong. dont deal drugs, don't carry guns (without a permit), dont break the law and you wont have problems with the law. it just makes sense.
vallejo is full of lawless whackos. so dont be suprised when the police treat you like a whacko, just put your hands up and cooperate until they find out your not.
Neighbor   |October.23.2012
Marvin you are the sweetest man,they were lucky to have you as a neighbor, I know I'm glad we're neighbors! To everyone else with your ' opinions' keep them in your neighborhood and stay outta ours!
Anonymous   |October.23.2012
Gun pointed at a cop = death. That's just reality. You can't ask cops to protect us and not be able to protect themselves at the same time. That's ludicrous.

There's obviously a deep distrust for our police department, so whenever an incident like this occurs, they will be blamed for fabricating the report to justify their actions. The solution is body cameras. They will protect the cops and us citizens.
Dusty   |October.22.2012
To Anon30:

Another neighbor--one whom Mr. Garman also did not interview--told the paper that she heard someone shout "put down the gun! put down the gun!" several times before the shots. FYI. Read more.
Dusty   |October.22.2012
Hey, Garman, why don't you interview the dead guy's MOTHER. She stated that he was mildly autistic. No mention of schizophrenia. So--why are you asking us to trust the neighbor's version of things instead of Jeremiah's own mother? You make no sense.
Anon 30   |October.22.2012
Apparently the incident of a 0gun in a cop's stomach happened inside the house out of view of the public, right? A Swat Team as a personal witness for the police? Come on folks. You know the police fabricate things and events all of the time--especially those out of view.
I rest my case.
wharf rat   |October.22.2012
@ Salt try a narrow beam directional sonic dismembrator it would require a robust power supply but should prove extremlly
effective and render their equiptment useless forever , those big amps and woofers in the trunk might even smoke up
what utter satisfaction !! the offending
car limping down the street followed a trail of smoke from their fried electronics sweet victory ..
Salty Dog   |October.22.2012
Not likely at all. Far better to load up the community with desperate and mentally disabled people.

Ditto to mobile boom boxes (no enforcement), but we are getting close to a boom box death ray. lol
Not gonna happen   |October.22.2012
....next idea?
Salty Dog   |October.22.2012
Ok. Shut Down VHA and open a one office housing assistance manned by two people subject to the new Cal pension scheme. Divert funding to assist those needing help with mental issues.

Crazy? Not nearly as insane as the current schema that sees nothing as a goal but more of the same psycho-bureacratical non sense.
Shut down VHA? Not gonna happe   |October.22.2012
OK, shut down VHA. Impossible. Well, maybe not, but there are low-income housing developments with 55 year covenants all over town. Once they expire, then shut down VHA?

And, did these guys have a section 8 voucher????? Does anyone know? Some of the worst landlords don't have vouchers. We also need to target the slumlords (more code enforcement!) (landlord registration!) and use some of those federal $$$ for not more housing, but to improve the lives of those currently in them (job training, etc) and use some of those federal $$$ to hire more police (community policing, please).

And more
solutions. This problem needs to be attacked from all sides. And we need real solutions, not statements like "shut down VHA" Ain't gonna happen.
Salty Dog   |October.22.2012
Long term answer: Shut down VHA.

Look for more honorable city income sources.
Anonymous   |October.22.2012
A police response is a last resort. Vallejo has NO support services available because we are overloaded with "disadvantaged populations" that require much more than our overstretched General Fund can support. The potential problems of a couple of mentally ill guys could have been handled more gently by some mental health social service group a long time ago. But from my own experience calling Child Protective Services, nobody has the resources any more and nobody official responds to any neighbor concerns. We read sad tales on this site all the time. "we called the City repeatedly
when we heard bombs". "We have called the City repeatedly about nests of drug dealers squatting abandoned houses and terrorizing the neighborhood". NO ACTION until it spills into violence that brings a police response. Then we hear a lot of vitriol directed at the police. IT IS NOT THEIR FAULT. It is the fault of the Housing Authority pimps that approve projects that accommodate all the region's poor, crazy, drug addicted and other "disadvantaged populations" no one else wants just for the Federal money when Vallejo does not have the support services to really help. And
the VHA wants more and more. Who are the really crazy people?
Anonymous   |October.22.2012
You know whats stupid? These guys were valued members on the block. Troubled with mental health issues (schizophrenia & Asbergers syndrome) but valued members none-the-less. Its stupid that the VPD is (and always has been but exacerbated by the reduction of officers) disconnected from the Vallejo community. This is reflected in Officer De Jesus' comments to the media (yes they were on drugs) Anyone who knows someone suffering from Schizophrenia knows that a psychotic episode can look like an overdose. Anyone who knows those who suffer from Asbergers (a form of autism) knows they are
extremely gullible and manipulable. I bet after the toxicology reports come back, there will be no sign of drugs. How dare De Jesus make that statement before the report?

What's stupis is what should have been a 5150 resulted in a death.
In The Know   |October.22.2012
Dear Marvin:

Your editorial comments referring to the inappropriate use of force by the police is plain stupid comments. Yes stupid.

To also say that using a taser on a dog is evidence they could taser a naked man who poked a rifle into the stomach of a police officer is beyond stupid.
Salty Dog   |October.22.2012
A neighbor hood watch group that intervenes is clearly "ultra vires" their mandate of observing and reporting.

More relevant is their ability to contact and get action from agencies designed to help, outside of law enforcement. Do these agencies exist? Are they willing and able to provide assistance?
Anonymous   |October.22.2012
Disgusted writes: "Thank God about 20 of the cops will retire out of Vallejo come June. It is not soon enough for my money. They are the lowest & dirtiest pigs I have ever known, and they can all go to hell as far as I am concerned"

and reducing pay and benefits (as per Silas) will attract the type of PO you are looking for?
Anonymous   |October.22.2012
Where was a neighborhood watch group to begin some kind of intervention? What would have happened differently with "community policing"?
Salty Dog   |October.22.2012
Another case of "shifting externalites" and the transfer of costs?

Obviously one or both of these men were far past rationality and seriously in need of professional mental health intervention acknowledged by the witness days and likely weeks or months ahead of the incident.

It is easy to cast blame on the police whose mandate is to enforce the law, less so on a society that ignores or offloads into society people who are a danger to themselves and others.

Another needless Vallejo tragedy desperately seeking blame.
Fed Up   |October.22.2012
You have the same warped perspective shared by the people pulling weapons on members of law enforcement. The officers are there to protect US, the law abiding, tax paying citizens from people with little or no judgement and zero sense of consequences. You don't tase a person pointing a loaded rifle at you, and if you do, you get shot. Urban inner city? We used to be a middle/working class town full of families and pretty little neighborhoods. We are seeing more and more of these mental rejects with complete disregard for anyone, especially the police. It's the pathetic thugs and druggies
who are the problem here, not the police department. Thank you VPD. There are still a few rational, decent people here who support you.
Disgusted   |October.22.2012
Acting Chief Kreins is allowing these cops to go way out of control. The Vallejo cops are rogue, and it will take a stronger man than him to control them and train them properly. This poor victim just needed to be tasered, or strong armed, and then to be medicated. Even the neighbor said he was a "gentle soul." Kreins is an old fat white guy from Marin who knows nothing about the dynamics of an inner urban city, or people with mental challenges. Acting Chief Kreins is an old buddy of the current city manager Keen, but we need somebody much stronger who can get these bastard police on
the right track. A Swat Team? Really?
These bastard cops were trained by Nichelini, and all they are really saying is F.U. Vallejo. Let's clean house down at the police department once and for all. Thank God about 20 of the cops will retire out of Vallejo come June. It is not soon enough for my money. They are the lowest & dirtiest pigs I have ever known, and they can all go to hell as far as I am concerned. Oh yeah, there are a few good ones? Where? Probably on desk jobs. They have no respect for the current chief or he would be able to reign them in and obviously that is not happening. Thank
God they did not kill the dog, because the remaining gay partner will only have the little dog as
his sole companion now thanks to these asshole cops.
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