Nubie   |May.11.2008 Several comments to discussion - Vallejo does not pay the pensions!!- and how do you figure State legislators are butting into 'your' business - afraid someone will prevent you from being able to 'rant & rave' every week because our City might be able to survive without bankruptcy!!

Katy Miessner   |May.08.2008 Sounds like folks are as mad as I am about Wiggins and Evans butting into our business--and they don't have a clue. Wiggins, no surprise there, but as others have said, Evans is a real disappointment. If you want to let them know what you think of their meddling into the bankruptcy discussion, go here: Pat Wiggins Web site: http://dist02.casen.govoffice.com/ http://legplcms01.lc.ca.gov/PublicLCMS/ContactPopup.aspx?district=SD02 (you have to enter your email online) 444 Georgia Street Vallejo, CA 94590 Phone: (707) 648-5312 Fax: (707) 648-5383 Noreen Evans Web site: http://democrats.assembly.ca.gov/members/a07/ http://legplcms01.lc.ca.gov/PublicLCMS/ContactPopup.aspx?district=AD07& (you have to enter your email online) 1713 Sonoma Blvd Vallejo, CA 94590 Phone: (707) 649-2307 Fax: (707) 649-2311

Just my op   |May.03.2008 I think you are being petty about the dialog in this forum. It doesn't make for an honest interaction, rather it secludes the forum to all of the same posters and that makes you, well... ...a club of which membership is defined by whether someone uses the "f" word.

Gangajim   |May.02.2008 Everyone is snapping at each other because, in reality, we are all worried about Vallejo's contribution to global warming. It's not about the city's financial situation at all. We need to stop and tell the truth about who we truly are because who we think we are is not who we are. I need to go work on my compost heap now. Namaste.

silasbarnabe   |May.02.2008 Overpaid, I am intrigued as to why you think the controversial 911 fee/tax will be considered a fee and not brought to the voters? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/30/BAQA10E2OS.DTL&hw=911+fee&sn=001&sc=1000 There has been more than one challenge to this and in both cases the appeals court determined it is a tax and needs to go back to the voters. Is there some knowledge you have that the supreme court will find it a fee or do you think the city of vallejo will carelessly plow ahead and wait for litigation?

NBR   |May.01.2008 Sam Kurshan: "Value isn't exclusively measured in monetary terms" Ok, for those of us so simple as to use the $, as the instrument to measure things by (and god knows there are plenty of us, as $ is what 90% of this blog is really about. (ie wages)) what are you talking about when you say a job is "invaluable"? Explain the "terms" so we can know what level of importance the public safety service is or is not? Using the term "invaluable" leaves one with the impression it is something that we almost cannot do without. Normally, the more we need a commodity, the more it costs.

overpaid   |May.01.2008 So I can't be an intellectual AND radical? that's very disheartening. Though I do shush people at movies, I think loudmouths at movies are rude. On the other hand, we could use more loudmouths in city hall...There's one thing I wanted to point out: One of the Henkette's Modus Operandi is to Personally Attack the people who critique their ways: hence, the personal (and very ugly) attacks on Joe Tanner, Rob Stout, and before that Penny Barclay. I am pretty sure anonymous' behaviour against you is more of the same. I really encourage you to stop talking to them, and stick to the issues. you are on the right track , you should not go sit quietly in the corner. I personally don't mind profanity, but you do isolate some listeners sometimes by doing it. I would say, ignore the personal attacks: they are red herrings, and being on the outside...they can't fire you! Now, on the the 911...if you've been paying attention, you know that staff has been working on some "revenue enhancements". I would encourage you anyone with a financial background to ask for the numbers. they make me blush. the 911 fee will not be considered a tax, and won't go to the voters. even so, it won't be anywhere near the money we need. There will be NO good news folks, and there will be no solutions...the question is, what are WE going to do about it?

Anonymous   |May.01.2008 really, I've had enough.

Dialog Monitor   |May.01.2008 Sam I have monitored the Daily Scream everyday from conception. With one exception, you have been the only person to consistantly disrespected the rules of this site. We have tried to gently guide you away from the use of profanity month after month to no avail. It's not an issue of free speech but one of respect for the people who participate and this site. We have put a tremendous amount of work to make this site happen and we are very proud of VIB's presence in the community. There is a distinct difference in the content here as opposed to what is posted on the Times Herald blogs. We would like to keep it that way and do not want to have anyone push our hand on this matter. To simply say that the blame should not go to Marc for your behavior, doesn't cut it. By posting your name to the profanity does not give it validity or add substance to it. You have posted under different names as well as using different IP's. If you truely stand by your actions then this would not be necessary. Let's be clear, it's not about the length of your comments or the subject matter that we have issues with. We now have people responding "in kind" to your comments and that has to stop as well. This site takes pride in the fact that we have not had to ban anyone else from the site since it went up, with the exception of you. The fact that others have expressed the desire to let you continue to post, does not give you permission to continue to disrespect the rules and guidelines. It is not just the people who post their objection of your profanity, but the emails and verbal comments that are directed to the VIB group that have to be taken into consideration. No one else has had the number of complaints that we have received from your use of profanity. The guidlelines are loose and the simple rule of not using profanity, making nasty, vile, racist or homophobic comments is not a suggestion. There are many times that each and every one of us would like to say some choice words but have managed to use restraint. Please take this under consideration effective immediately and modify your choice of words so that this site doesn't become the Times Herald twin.

Gabriele   |May.01.2008 Just Checking, of course you can complain, you can also ignore whatever it is that you disagree with. Personally, I am not fond of profanity and as some may remember I had complained about that. However the "insultometer filter" does a fairly decent job and x's-out most of it. If some need a reminder from the Editornator to put a sock in it, so be it. Intelligent discussion is in the eye of the beholder. I am not an intellectual, however sometimes I feel I should add my 2 cents to the pot. Sometimes us lower on the brainscale workerbees may have something to contribute that actually may make sense, it is called common sense. Ha! We all need to lighten up a bit, the serious business is still before us!

Sam Kurshan   |May.01.2008 Some of what isn't the issue, Nice cut and paste job. If you don't lie it don't read it, becaue every single time one of you whines I'll whine right back. You could be engaging in intelligent discourse with someone, or posting some information to share. I only react the way you suggested when you dish out that holier than thou garbage and I throw it back at you. I am happy discussing discussing ANY issue you like other than myself. The choice is yours to make.

Sam Kurshan   |May.01.2008 This is only perpetuating itself because I use my real name to identify myself. Maybe I ought to post as "Anonymous" from now on and no matter what someone says, just continue to post as anonymous. Posting as me shows more integrity, but posting as another "Anonymous" would give me more leeway and shield me from the threats of being banned. Funny how almost all of the people who have been complaining about me don't even have the courage to use their real names. They know it's me they are bitching about. Why can't I know who they are? If they didn't know it was me they wouldn't have anything to say about it.

Not the Issue   |May.01.2008 Only one person posts like this the entire time the Daily Scream has been online. One henkette tried early on and never posted again. Just Sam. But hey, free speech and all.

Sam Kurshan   |May.01.2008 No, just about me standing my ground to the B.S. By the way no one is forcing those moans of "geesh" out of you or are they forcing you to comment either. That choice is solely yours.

Some of what isn't the issue   |May.01.2008 This is just from the month of April from Sam: So f...ing what if they voted for the extension? who f...ing cares. It's like beating a dead horse. The point is now they are doing everything humanly possible to correct the situation. What the f..k are you doing but bitching, finger pointing and placing blame? My diplomacy stops and my go take a flying f..k for yourself attitude takes its place when sarcasm, antagonism and hostility cross my path. I suspect you're being an a..hole and don't know jack! Your response is absolute bulls...! Every time you respond with that crap it only serves to show everyone your true colors. You are an antagonistic, elitist snob. When you are disagreed with aqnd have run out of intelligent responses you raun and hide and cry out what ever or troll! So there you have it, right from the a-s-s-h-ol-e-'s mouth. Oops I mean horses mouth. As it stands, Tuesday May 6th is the day of reckoning. Faithfully submitted, this twenty eight day of April, 2008, by Seargeant of Arms Robert Neidermeyer III. Oops, I mean Sam Kurshan

Anonymous   |May.01.2008 All about me! All about me!

Sam Kurshan   |May.01.2008 By the way the profanity isn't really the issue. It was their feeling that I was posting too much and refusing to back down from the tit for tat provocation that took the place of reason when I stood my ground. They are using the profanity defense now because they haven't got a leg to stand on otherwise. They would love me off this board so they can continue to pat each other on the back. But I am going to stay. Not for them, but for those who are intelligent enough to appreciate my words and want to affect a change instead of just talking about doing so.

Anonymous   |May.01.2008 Geeesh!

Sam Kurshan   |May.01.2008 Thank you Gabrielle. I call it intellectual bullying and when I tried to illustrate it last week by not backing down to it, all the intellectual denial mechanisms began to surface, the intellectual argument ended and those mechanisms took their place. Those being the denial that it was me posting and that it had to be someone posing as me. Followed by my being called a troll when I proved it was me, followed by the whining threats and ultimatums aimed at Marc, threatening that if he did not ban me then they would leave. My parody of them lost in cyberspace last night, perfectly illustrates their nonsense. Every single disagreement of opinions I have ever had in my life, with these kind of people has ALWAYS ended with them running out of intelligence and replacing it with intellectual bullying. But as soon as I or anyone else stands up to their insulting behavior and calls it like it is, they are labeled the bully and they are labeled being out of line. As far as formerly being part of their inner circle, I don't need hypocrites as friends. So it was a productive house cleaning. Welcome to my house!

Sam Kurshan   |May.01.2008 NBR, Value isn't exclusively measured in monetary terms.

Just Checking   |May.01.2008 Gabriele, so are you saying we should not complain about the use of profanity on this site? I just want to be clear since this rule is posted above as well as some other guidelines: Post your comment below and we'll put up your words...BUT...this is not an open forum for racist, nasty, personal, homophobic, or otherwise offensive comments that do not fall under the category of intelligent discourse. So in the interest of free speech should we disregard the guidelines and objections of some to the abuse of the same? Are we to become the T-Herald blogs now?

Gabriele   |May.01.2008 I have often wondered how long some can discuss a subject without coming to a solution, one way or the other. However when someone not considered to belong to the incrowd (anymore), and god forbid, have an opinion that is not convenient, some gang up on the individual. Bully syndrome! Last time I checked FREE SPEECH is still on the books! I do not believe this webpage is the sole playground for a chosen few, as up to now no registration, fee, or membership is required. So let us continue with the spirited conversations, may they be convenient or not. P:S: I am not a Troll, however he is cute!

NBR   |May.01.2008 My point/opinion is that it is inane to describe some ones job as "invaluable" , followed up by a recommendation for a "distinguished service commendation" and then push for a 30% pay cut, reduced pension and remove retiree medical. Nice incentive package to continue doing what has been described as an "invaluable job". What do employees have to look forward that, in your opinion, do not have an "invaluable " job? Your analytical abilities s**k!

Sam Kurshan   |May.01.2008 And your point is?

NBR   |May.01.2008 Sam: "Instead, due to my analytical abilities, ..." Sam Kurshan wrote: Captain Cavanaugh, They should all receive a distinguished service commendation or its equivalent. God speed for a quick recovery. Please tell Kurt to do the right thing and make the type of contractual concessions necessary to avoid bankruptcy. Thank you for what you do! you must've missed my post from another blog, so I was hoping your analytical abilities could confirm or deny my interpretation of what a "thank you" means. "Good thinking Sam. Along with a distinguished service commendation we'll also give them a 30% pay cut, cut their pension and remove retiree medical. Can we do that all on the same day to save money? A pay cut isn't exactly what I would expect if I were to receive a "distinguished service commendation" for an "invaluable" job, but I am sure it makes perfect sense to you. Can they wear the medal in public? If they are ever allowed back into the Farmers Market do they need to remove said commendation before being seen in public?"

Ann O. Nemus   |May.01.2008 Comment on your posts, not YOU, Sam, as a person: If you can resist the temptation and stop those few sophomoric rants, ala high school girls on MySpace, you'l be 100% OK. I don't know you, but I love you, man. Keep up the good work.

Firebug   |May.01.2008 On Fire- I have been thinking of a more ugly tactic, what if they instituted the 911 tax without the vote then file for chapter 9. Would it then be up to the judge to say it stands? Right now there isn't any way possible scenario I can think of short of permanently extending the current "band-aid" that they could have a hope of keeping the SS Vallejo from sinking. I keep thinking they are going to use the "fear factor" to try to push some kind of tax, but seriously how much would it cost per household to fund a $9 or $13 million gap?

On Fire   |May.01.2008 Firebug, the interesting thing about that 911 tax (commonly referred to as enhancement revenue fees)was I believe, what the city brain trust was counting on to help balance their budget for next year. The fact that the State budget is still looking for cuts and that we are slated to loss at least a million in tax revenues is going to further impact the city's budget. A recent discussion on the possible money snatch from Prop. 1A revenues, which was supposed to be protected from the State robbers, covers special districts and enterprise district funds such as water and garbage, which appears to mean further cuts from the State. So we are but one single unanticipated incident that will need funding in the next year will throw us into the red and push us into bankruptcy even if the funded four and Ozzy decide Tuesday not to file for bankruptcy. So instead of filing now and getting ahead of the cuts, restructing our debts and moving toward improving our credit rating, we choose to play chicken and stand in the middle of the road. I suppose we will be waiting on that red truck to run us over as dipicted in the Sunday funnies.

Sam Kurshan   |May.01.2008 Some of you will never like me because of the way I CHOOSE to communicate. I don't take any B.S. from anyone. I call it like I see it. I don't spend a lot of time intellectualizing over issues. Instead, due to my analytical abilities, I cut to the chase with a solution. I am a risk taker. Risk takers are seen as radicals. They are resented for making too much noise by those who are still debating what to do while the risk takers are on the front line implementing their ideas. While doing so the intellectuals resentment for the radicals is demonstrated by the radicals being scapegoated for doing more damage to the cause than good. This is totally false and what is really occurring is the intellectuals resentment being vented on the radicals for their disturbing the quiet, think tank environment of the intellectuals. Intellectuals go to a movie and shush anyone who utters a word. Radicals openly exclaim their reaction to what is on the screen. Bearing that in mind, I am not the poster child for your cause. I will continue to speak out when I see fit. I do not need nor am I waiting for your permission or your approval. I have accomplished single handedly in my life time, more positive results for any cause I have ever been involved in, than any ten intellectuals have. You don't like me because while you are debating I am getting results. For those of you who are in agreement with me and support my efforts. I thank you. For the rest, I suggest you scroll by my (real)name when you see it here in your protest against everything I stand for. Because as long as this is a public forum I will continue to express my self here and will do so the same way I am addressed. Sarcasm begets sarcasm, hostility begets hostility. Insult me, I'm back at you with an insult. For those of you who disagree, don't forget to engage in a day long debate on what to do about the Sam Kurshan problem. But don't you dare threaten Marc for permitting the free expression of ideas here, by stating you will no longer patronize this web site.Doing so makes you a hypocrite. Marc has nothing to do with it. NOTHING. He is not the brain police!

Ann O. Nemus   |May.01.2008 Let's have a moment of silence to mark the 5th Anniversary of "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED", the official "end to major combat operations in Iraq". Since then, thousands of brake men and women have died, many thousands more injured both physically and mentally, and countless dreams have been shattered. Our nation is going broke. Yes, spending $10 Billion a month of borrowed money has a direct link to our current economic woes. Geeez, this war was supposed to be funded by Iraqi oil revenue, will result in cheaper gas prices, and will last about 6 days, 6 weeks, or 6 months tops.

J.M   |May.01.2008 "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds". Albert Einstein no whinning about space issues!!

Firebug   |May.01.2008 Marc, I think there is BBS software out there that let's you have an "ignore list" for those that might want such a feature. It would filter out a person on that list, but it would require everyone to be a "registered user". Onfire, Silas, and John K interesting infromation. I have always believed the 911 tax would never fly here, and I am very intrigued how the Perata investigation and the subsequent Ferry take over might bubble down to some of our former and current elected officials.

Robert Schussel PhD   |May.01.2008 I have a PhD in Psychology and was a licensed Psychology. Those of you who are posting psychiatric descriptions etc are being totally irresponsible. Just because you don't agree with some or dislike some of their behaviors doesn't mean they are "crazy" or mentally unbalanced. Dr No--if you want to discuss psychiatric issues just let me know and I will post a phone number where I can be reached.

On Fire   |April.30.2008 Your right John. I think the best part of this initiative is that it will force our elected officials to bargain in good faith and learn how to mediate without selling out. Otherwise the community will be watching and ready to take action. Decisions on salaries and staffing should be decided by finacial status of the city's budget, not what 12 or so other cities are paying. We shall see how this changes the way the city does business. Keep those signatures coming.

John K   |April.30.2008 On Fire, from reading the petition, it appears that the initiative will remove all of the paragraphs containing the word "mediation" from the body of Section 809 of the Charter. City Council could address mediation in the ordinance where they're required to provide a system of collective negotiating. This will give them an opportunity to flex their muscles and test their new powers of labor management without some third party outsider telling them what to do. Perhaps Erin can help "tweak" the new ordinance.

John K   |April.30.2008 Thanks, anonymoos... that could be very good news for taxpayers. Here's a better link (I hope): http://tinyurl.com/6fj4co

anonymoos   |April.30.2008 Hmmm. Link doesn't work. Here's the article title: Court rejects Union City's fee for 911 system Type it into the search window on sfgate.com and it'll get you there!

Rick Mariani   |April.30.2008 RE: Can't we play nice? Sam, anonymous, Dr. No...You are doing more to damage our efforts here than any other factor I can think of. People need to have a place to discuss the issues. Vallejo is in trouble. That's the real issue. Please stop the abusive silliness, narcissism and overblown self importance. I can't force you, but it would be nice if the idea of treating each other with some modicum of respect would resurface. The three of you--knock it off if you care anything about Vallejo. Go somewhere else and play the silly games there. And, yes...I consider all three parties equally culpable in this stupid behavior. I am not intervening or deleting comments. I am asking you to all please grow up. Marc Garman I am so glad that Marc is trying to control these immature individuals who are creating havoc on this wonderful forum. We have many problems here to solve and you people are not helping but hindering our efforts. Please use this forum SPARINGLY with something important to discuss. thanks in advance Rick Mariani

anonymoos   |April.30.2008 Check out this SF Gate article:http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/30/BAQA10E2OS.DTL&hw=union+cities+911+fee&sn=001&sc=1000 Dearest Erin--Tweaky bird. Your hopes and dreams of taxing the honest hard working citizens of this city have just landed on the TH at the bottom of your birdcage. Taxes, revenue enhancements or a big fat gimme for your public safety buds--whatever you wanna call them--are now officially illegal. Call a tax a fee and it's still a tax. The courts agree...and you need a 2/3 majority in a public vote. So, dearest Osby, Erin, Michael,Hermie and Tom...go ahead and try it and watch how fast you fly into court. Here's another tax the public won't support. I guess you'll have to come up with another way to help Kurt and John rob us. So shelve that idea or get out of town on the BUS.

On Fire   |April.30.2008 Exactly! Dark clouds gathering in the horizon.

Tweaker   |April.30.2008 I, uh well, you know, it just, well, uh, it needs to be...tweaked, cuz, well you know, I and the other 3, well, you know, as I said before, we think...looking into it and, well the numbers need to be tweaked. Luv, Erin

On Fire   |April.30.2008 All right children we now return this channel to adult programing. As much as I'd like to hear from or funded four and their presentation of how they plan to save the city, each time Erin opens her mouth, it brings causes me to feel even more dreadful that these peope are the ones who are making decisions. Erin says that staff was sent back to tweak the numbers. What does that mean Erin? Do you tweak the CBO's budget out of existence? Do you tweak the library funding till it is forced to close during the weekends or half days? Do we just shut down the community centers when you get these tweaked figures back? What the heck does tweak mean? When you hear the reference to 'tweaking the numbers' you usually don't think of devastating the funding for city services. Or shutting city hall down for half a day or more. Erin's choice of words gives some insight as to just how much she is out of touch with what is going on in Vallejo and how her 'tweaking' will negatively impact the citizens. Oh, but there is day 5 tomorrow. Maybe we shall hear from one of the other funded four or Ozzy and they will give us yet another tidbit to ponder on.

Edinator   |April.30.2008 Can't we play nice? Sam, anonymous, Dr. No...You are doing more to damage our efforts here than any other factor I can think of. People need to have a place to discuss the issues. Vallejo is in trouble. That's the real issue. Please stop the abusive silliness, narcissism and overblown self importance. I can't force you, but it would be nice if the idea of treating each other with some modicum of respect would resurface. The three of you--knock it off if you care anything about Vallejo. Go somewhere else and play the silly games there. And, yes...I consider all three parties equally culpable in this stupid behavior. I am not intervening or deleting comments. I am asking you to all please grow up. Marc Garman

John K   |April.30.2008 Just heard my mate say, "I hate to see the Scream Board deteriorating. It's sad." Dr. No, Sam, anonymous... take a hint? Hopefully the Janitor-inator will clean up all of these zero content posts in the morning?

Dr. No   |April.30.2008

Fed Up a\About to Throw Up   |April.30.2008 Dr. a NO nymous, You need to give it a rest.

anonymous   |April.30.2008

Dr. No   |April.30.2008 Psychosis is a generic psychiatric term for a mental state often described as involving a "loss of contact with reality." People suffering from it are said to be psychotic. People experiencing psychosis may report hallucinations or delusional beliefs, and may exhibit personality changes and disorganized thinking. This may be accompanied by unusual or bizarre behaviour, as well as difficulty with social interaction and impairment in carrying out the activities of daily living.

Dr. No   |April.30.2008 psychosis Pronunciation s

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Sam Kurshan   |April.30.2008 Each new post by Anonymous has one more devil face than the prior post did. When it gets to devil face number six I'm getting the hell out of here and seeking safe shelter somewhere.

anonymous   |April.30.2008 National Mental Health Association 800-969-NMHA (6642)

Sam Kurshan   |April.30.2008 Section 809 Employer-Employee Relations, Mediation Arbitration. b. The City Manager and/or his/her designated representative(s) shall negotiate in good faith with the recognized employee organizations. The City Council may appoint a committee which shall be composed solely of Council members to assist the City Manager and/or his/her designated representative(s) in said negotiations if the Council in its judgment deems such in the best public interest.

anonymous   |April.30.2008 Chlorpromazine (as chlorpromazine hydrochloride, abbreviated CPZ, marketed in the US as Thorazine) is a phenothiazine antipsychotic. It is principally used in the treatment of schizophrenia, though it has also been used to treat hiccups and nausea. Synthesized on December 11 1950, chlorpromazine was the first drug developed with a specific antipsychotic action. Its use has been described as the single biggest advance in psychiatric treatment, with a dramatic effect on the prognosis of the inmates of asylums worldwide. It was the prototype for the phenothiazine class, which later grew to comprise several other agents. Its use today has been largely supplanted by the newer atypical antipsychotics such as olanzapine and quetiapine.

Sam Kurshan   |April.30.2008 Anonymous, Why don't you go take a suppository. I hear they have flavored ones now. You could take your head out for a second, take the suppository and then stick your head back into its favorite place.

Overpaid   |April.30.2008 Sam: good job resisting Anonymous' baiting. Lets keep on track. We have no time to waste. It is ironic that in City Hall we haven't had a leader for it seems like decades. Now we have two. We should really only have one: the CM, hired by the Council to lead. EVERYONE at city hall knows that Osby has overstepped his ceremonial role and continues to do so on a daily basis. While this might not be bad if we had a united front, it has been bad in practice. Not all lawyers are 'born' with an innate intelligence of what it takes to make local government work effectively. and of course, he doesn't have the history or the expertise even if his intentions are good. It just took him three months to realize that IAFF leadership were playing him. just like they've been playing everyone for 10 years.

Dr. No   |April.30.2008 Schizophrenia Delusions (strange beliefs that are not based in reality and that the person refuses to give up, even when presented with factual information) Hallucinations (the perception of sensations that aren't real, such as hearing voices) Disorganized thinking Odd or unusual behavior Slow movements or total immobility Lack of emotion in facial expression and speech Poor motivation Problems with speech and communication What Are the Symptoms of Schizoaffective Disorder? A person with schizoaffective disorder has severe changes in mood and some of the psychotic symptoms of schizophrenia, such as hallucinations, delusions and disorganized thinking. Psychotic symptoms reflect the person's inability to tell what is real from what is imagined. Symptoms of schizoaffective disorder may vary greatly from one person to the next and may be mild or severe.

anonymous   |April.30.2008 Bipolar disorder is not a single disorder, but a category of mood disorders defined by the presence of one or more episodes of abnormally elevated mood, clinically referred to as mania. Individuals who experience manic episodes also commonly experience depressive episodes or symptoms, or mixed episodes in which features of both mania and depression are present. These episodes are normally separated by periods of normal mood, but in some patients, depression and mania may rapidly alternate, known as rapid cycling. Extreme manic episodes can sometimes lead to psychotic symptoms such as delusions and hallucinations. The disorder has been subdivided into bipolar I, bipolar II, Bipolar NOS, and cyclothymia based on the type and severity of mood episodes experienced.

Sam Kurshan   |April.30.2008 What about Viagra?

anonymous   |April.30.2008 Alprazolam, also known under the trade names Xanax and Niravam, is a short-acting drug of the benzodiazepine class used to treat moderate to severe anxiety disorders, panic attacks, and as an adjunctive treatment for anxiety associated with clinical depression. It is also available in an extended release form, Xanax XR. Both forms are now available generically.

Sam Kurshan   |April.30.2008 Is it good for post too muchitis, or do you think an anti inflammatory or corticol steroid would work better? Is it available generically yet?

anonymous   |April.30.2008 Fluoxetine hydrochloride (Prozac) is an antidepressant of the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI) class. Fluoxetine is approved for the treatment of clinical depression (including pediatric depression), obsessive-compulsive disorder (in both adult and pediatric populations), bulimia nervosa, anorexia nervosa, panic disorder and premenstrual dysphoric disorder.[1] Despite the availability of newer agents, it remains extremely popular. Over 22.2 million prescriptions for generic formulations of fluoxetine were filled in the United States in 2007, making it the third most prescribed antidepressant.[2]

Sam Kurshan   |April.30.2008 Uh oh, Looks like Robert Schussel caught the diseases from me. Post too much itis.

Sam Kurshan   |April.30.2008 waaaaahhh, wwwaaaAAAHH, WWWAAHHHHHH, Marc, Editinator, Help us. Sam is hogging cyberspace. We're posting from our space ship and have just discovered that cyberspace is not limitless. We just hit the walll at the one million billion trillion zillion mile mark. Sam has us trapped here and won'[t let us in. he has turned on his freedom of speech force field. He's hitting the keys so fast and hard, that he's created his own frequency. SETI radioed our ship warning that it was a new life form. Help. Help. Our antiquated technology and way of thinking, prohibits us from scrolling by his posts. He has control of our minds and we can't do anything but post our objections to him. Sam told us to go to the AARP and Readers Digest Planet if we didn't like it. WAHHH, WAAAAHHH. We can't stop crying, our tears are floating around the space ship. You must eliminate Sam, eliminate, elimin elim eli el e..... Come in Editinator, Editina Edit Edi....

Silas Barnabe   |April.30.2008 Check out the Perata corruption invvestigation as reported by Matier and Ross. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/30/BAHV10DQHG.DTL

Silas Barnabe   |April.30.2008 Nice work Mr. Schussel, I guess the question is now when was this vote, when was it agendized, and was it done in open or closed session, this could get really really good. Also take note that the Federal corruption investigation of Don Perata is to be extended. I am very hopeful that the new extension will include a looksy of the State takeover (proposed by Perata) of the Alameda and Vallejo Ferry systems. This will put some more under an even more powerful microscope involving who knew what and when they knew it.

Anonymous   |April.30.2008 Here is my response to Fred Soley,the City Manager and the Mayor Fred Thank you for your quick response. The letter I am referring to was mentioned by Ms Hannegin the night bankruptcy was discussed for 3 hours by the Public. When she went through her papers she pulled out the letter in which she stated Mr. Tanner had given his permission for the Mayor to be part of the negotiations. The Mayor quickly chimed in and said it was not necessary to discuss the letter at that time. My concern is that City Council is trying to marginalize the City Managers role in negotiations. And I hope that it is all above board. I believe that Mr. Davis and those Council Members who were elected by the Public Safety Unions gave away all of their bargaining power. If Mr. Tanner was not being undermined the City would be in a better place. Again ,thank you for your response Bob

On Fire   |April.30.2008 So okay, when did the council vote to have Ozzy become one of the negotiators? Or did Tanner write a note for him? It would be hard to say no to Ozzy if he demanded that Tanner designate him as a negotiator since Ozzy is his boss, but rule by intimidation seems to still fall under the category of interference.

robert schussel   |April.30.2008 here is the response I received Bob: Hope you are well. I acknowledge receipt of your letter. To my knowledge, the Mayor is not in violation of Charter Section 503. Charter Section 809 specifically authorizes participation by the Council (or by the mayor with the okay of the Council). Even without that specific authorization, I don't believe it would be inappropriate or in violation of Charter Section 503 for the Council (or mayor when approved by the Council) to take a role in labor negotiations. However, that does not mean that the City Manager can be taken out of the negotiation process. To my knowledge, that has not occurred. I know nothing of the letter of which you speak. Finally, there is no Council meeting tonight (Weds. 4/30) and there was no Council meeting last night (Tues. 4/29). The next meeting is May 6, 2008.

robert schussel   |April.30.2008 Mr Soley Would you please acknowledge receipt of this email. My question is very straightforward. Is the Mayor in violation of Section 503 of the City Charter when he gets directly involved with negotiations with the Public Safety Unions as he has done on several occasions. While Mr. Tanner is reported to have written a letter ( according to Ms Hannegan at a City council meeting) to give the Mayor permission to negioate,does this permission supersede Section 503. My assumption is that Mr. Tanner was pressured to give permission . I am out of town and would ask that you address this issue tonight. I will also followup tomorrow with you. Robert Schussel Vallejo CA 4-30-2008

robert schussel   |April.30.2008 I am out of town--would someone please raise my question tonight Mr Soley My question is very straightforward. Is the Mayor in violation of Section 503 of the City Charter when he gets directly involved with negotiations with the Public Safety Unions as he has done on several occasions. While Mr. Tanner is reported to have written a letter ( according to Ms Hannegan at a City council meeting) to give the Mayor permission to negioate,does this permission supersede Section 503. My assumption is that Mr. Tanner was pressured to give permission . I am out of town and would ask that you address this issue tonight. I will also followup tomorrow with you. Robert Schussel Vallejo CA 4-30-2008

robert schussel   |April.30.2008 below is an email I sent today to the City Attorney. I am on the east coast and hope someone would ask my question Thanks Mr Soley My question is very straightforward. Is the Mayor in violation of Section 503 of the City Charter when he gets directly involved with negotiations with the Public Safety Unions as he has done on several occasions. While Mr. Tanner is reported to have written a letter ( according to Ms Hannegan at a City council meeting) to give the Mayor permission to negioate,does this permission supersede Section 503. My assumption is that Mr. Tanner was pressured to give permission . I am out of town and would ask that you address this issue tonight. I will also followup tomorrow with you. Robert Schussel Vallejo CA 4-30-2008

Firebug   |April.30.2008 Eye ye ye, ever since honest Jon the used car salesman had to preface his name with honest, used car salesman and others that preface their handles with what they want us to percieve continue to raise suspicion.

Real Deal and tired of Bad Act   |April.30.2008 I totally agree. Even if there is some interesting tidbits in the long endless string of material, it is lost as I have just taken to scroll past them now. Sam has been addressed on these issues and doesn't care how others are affected by his antics. How rude. I did not post the medical discription nor have I posted on the T-Herald siding with the union supporters. I tend to come here to read up on current events but it's hard to find with Sam's take over of VIB. I'm not trying to be funny nor make snide remarks toward Sam. He feels that comments directed toward his hostile, profanity and nasty name calling is somehow making him the victim and it's okay because others don't call him on it. But that doesn't mean we should suffer through it. I can imagine what would happen if the union boys start to post here as no one could complain if they began to use profanity and call names. Some of the nasty stuff that is on the T-Hearld would fit in with Sam's posts here and I suppose no one would cut them off either since we allow Sam to continue to act this way. (You can't ban others if Sam is allowed to continue.) Suppose Henke came on and started acting this same way? Would his behavior be accepted because he has something interesting to say? Sam justifies his rants and bad behavior because he says he is "passionate". These are merely excuses for anti social behavior and he shouldn't be rewarded for it. All we ask is that people follow the cyberspace rules and not try to forcibly take over what is good here for their own talk show. Otherwise, people are going to leave and go elsewhere and I don't think that it's fair for Sam to think that is his call to make. Give us a break Sam and try to understand that everyone doesn't enjoy your foul mouth.

A regular here   |April.30.2008 Sam, I suppose technically I am on your "side" but seriously, sometimes I shout STFU when I read your endless posts. You were spanked because of bad behavior, bad language, hogging the board etc. Well, you are at it again and because of your near endless stream of stuff, other issues get lost. I agree with the the poster who suggests you start your own blog because this is not Sam's Blog here. PLEASE buy a clue, reel back on the posts and let some others have a say. Sheesh!

Sam Kurshan   |April.30.2008 John, That is why I believe (as I stated in my post) no one higher than a shop steward should be allowed to assume both roles. Thank you for your supportive words as well as you insightful reference to the grand jury report pertaining to this issue.

Sam Kurshan   |April.30.2008 Or is it an Irish French combination?

Sam Kurshan   |April.30.2008 One question, is Anal O' Mous a French Irish combination?

Sam Kurshan   |April.30.2008 Dr. Anal O' Mous, Phd. MD. Bwah, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!! There is a lot of empty commercial space on Tennessee Street. There is an old drive up fast food palce that you could turn into a drive up therapy window. Did you get your credentials from the same match book cover, mail order degree school that Hermie Sunga did? Thanks for a good laugh in the middle of an otherwise lackluster day. All my personalities thank you too:

John K   |April.30.2008 Sam, I can live with a little scroll fatigue, since you have some interesting topics going. I disagree with you on whether a "union officer" can be a city employee. If we're going to allow public employees to organize at all, then it should be OK for one of them to be an officer of their local union. However, that employee cannot also be a management level employee, because that would lead to a conflict of interest. Management level employees should be looking out for the interests of the City as well as their own subordinates, so union activities would pose a conflict of interest. You might recall the 2005-2006 Solano County Grand Jury Report had this to say on the topic: Finding #5: The Assistant Fire Chief is a management-level employee and also serves as the Local 1186 President. Recommendation #5: The City of Vallejo should preclude management level employees from holding rank and file union offices, to eliminate any possible conflict of interest. Ref: Page 30 of http://www.solanocourts.com/grandjury/2006/0506ReptFinal.pdf The same report also mentioned union activities impact on department overtime: "During fiscal year 2004-2005, Local 1186 Union President/Assistant Fire Chief participated in the negotiations of contracts for the cities of Napa, Benicia, Rio Vista, Suisun City, American Canyon, Cordelia and Fairfield. During his absence, the City of Vallejo overtime budget was impacted, when the Assistant Fire Chief position had to be covered by other firefighters."

On Fire   |April.30.2008 Thank you Mr. Tatham. I heard Burkey Worell at the council meeting stating that the initiative to take binding interest arbitration off the charter would in effect, take away the rights of the employees to mediation, which appears to be incorrect. By the Meyer-Milias Brown act, they would have State protected rights to mediation. Maybe someone needs to inform Mr. Worell who I believe worked for the VPD and as a union rep. that he has it wrong!

J.M   |April.30.2008 Real Deal & Just Curious...I don't believe or feel Mr. Kurshan is taking up space on VIB at all. It is actually a good thing for the blogs to have some substance & detail to better understand the point of view. Could you provide as much detail & information as he has done the last several weeks? No need to play the mind mental game as you mention below. Can you imagine if we all acted the same & had the same train of thought!! If you have not noticed by now...there are some very dedicated, loyal, intelligent & hardworking Vallejo Citizens who believe Vallejo desperately needs positive change. Don't confuse the issues & label these Citizens with mean,nasty,crazy,negative & personality disorders. Please educate yourself on past & current issues and you will learn, you too will be showing up at City Council meetings & getting involved.

Mrs. Claws   |April.30.2008 So, Jon, you and your fellow firefighters were simply coming down to the Farmer's Market last May/June to shop for vegetables? And mean ol' city manager Tanner stopped you? Awwwww. (1) The firefighters and their very large fire trucks were not coming down to the Farmer's Market last year UNTIL the budget battle began in May. (2) The firefighters and their very large fire trucks suddenly showed up "shopping" at the Farmer's Market at the same time thier Union buddies were staffing a table at the Farmer's Market handing out colorful, slick brochures to the public saying the Council and city manager were playing a "shell game" and hiding money, and another trying to convince us that there was no deficit. (3) The firefighters and their very large fire trucks stopped coming down to the Farmer's Market after the budget decision was made and they and their union buddies had no reason to be there to try an influence public opinion. (4) I'm a vendor at the Farmer's Market and am there evey Saturday, and I haven't seen you or other firefighters in uniform shopping for vegetables since last June, with or without your very large fire trucks. If indeed you wanted to shop for vegetables, Jon, you should have driven one of the city pickup trucks three blocks and picked up your greens. Save the gas and wear and tear on the very large fire trucks. (watch out for those potholes though!). But we all know you didn't bring your very large fire trucks down to the Market for greens, don't we, Jon?

Firebug   |April.30.2008 The question I would be asking is how was the city staffed back in 1985? Not just the PD or FD, but Public Works, code enforcement, HR, Finance, MIS and others that would be a telling story of how the GF came to the 78 percent going to safety services that we see know.

Sam Kurshan   |April.30.2008 My response to Jon Riley at the T.H. blog: Jon, You have absolutely no credibility. Look in the mirror and blame yourself. This was a wee wee contest and you lost. Your loss caused the city to lose. The city's loss caused the people to lose, which has now come full circle and landed back at your feet. Your time would be better spent coming up with a real concession in the form of rewritten contracts according to what the city can afford and not what you want, instead of your pathetic attempts at public relations. To manipulate the Santa Claus situation is unconscionable. The children are the ones who suffered the loss and they are too young to understand why. They pull you out to do damage control, but you end up doing more damage than good. Sparky the fire dog would be a better spokesperson than you, any day of the week.

Sam Kurshan   |April.30.2008 God forbid we have a recall!

Rick Mariani   |April.30.2008 After watching the VIB Lewis Brown interview videos the obvious question that arises is how do we go about enforcing the City Charter? If Osby is in violation (which he apparently is and this violation is a misdemeanor) I believe he needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I also feel that he should be sued in a class action suit by citizens of this city.

Carol   |April.30.2008 Thanks Salis. Lesson 1: Never **** off a mom. I guess I have Mad Mom Disease.

NBR   |April.30.2008 On fire How many layoffs have happened? I don't mean reshuffling of desks and titles, but how many have actually been "laid off". "Laid off" does not include those that chose retirement does it?

Michael Tatham   |April.30.2008 to ON Fire- Meyer Milias Brown requires mediation when an impasse is reached (unles the law has changed- which i highly doubt- since i left the profession)

Firebug   |April.30.2008 Silas and Onfire, I agree with Silas about the inflated ego on Riley and the other 1186'ers. I also read in this morning's TH that our fab four are finally commenting on this upcoming deal as an example Hannigan's statement "staff is tweaking numbers". It is almost as if all the months of really doing nothing the fab four must now convince us it will be time to clap and shout bravo when their little musical score ends with no real ending. I doubt a deal can be reached that could save Vallejo, outside of another band aid desinged to get us through November when a tax, along with many other taxes will be put on the ballot proclaiming "we did out part" now Vallejo do yours, pass this or else bankruptcy... I think the coming weeks will be a litmus test to gauge the possible reactions of the voters on that one.

On Fire   |April.30.2008 Six days and counting. The question of the day: How much worse can it get? As we count down the days till we hear what the funded four and mayor will conclude to be our future, one has to consider how bad will it be? It's apparent by the missed deadlines the funded four and mayor have not received the type of concessions from the unions that would meet the requirements set in March to save the budget. So it appears that the ff and mayor (funded four) are willing to entertain what they feel will be the solution, which would be the "slash and burn" tactics of depleting city services to zero, shutting down city hall, no funding to CBO's and praying that nothing happens that's unexpectedly that would throw off the flat line budget. Start with nothing, end with nothing. Is that reasonable? Is it acceptable? We can expect more layffs to an already skeleton crew which defies any logic. No one there to answer phones. No one there to welcome new business prospects. Over worked and stressed our employees that are left after the slash and burn of departments - second round. f someone calls in sick, no one to keep up the work. Maybe they will be forced to shut down City Hall one or more days a week? Or maybe open to half days only. This is the only way they can keep the current contracts and keep the number of safety employees on. All in the name of not filing for bankruptcy. So you think it's bad now, wait till Tuesday. Ozzy wants to build his legacy of saving the city, no matter how many people he will lay off or what services will be cut and his funded four will sit quietly on their hands and push that lever to vote with him. We will be there to support the only two voices of reason, Gomes and Schivley as they try to make sense of of the chaos. These two woman will certain ask the hard questions that will reveal some of "How bad can it get". Hang on to you hats people, we are in for the union driven ride and it won't be fun.

Silas Barnabe   |April.30.2008 Sam If it's "just curious" posting the obsessive compulsive remark is laughable considering the spelling corrections and counting and avoiding the cracks in sidewalk behavior demonstrated on the TImes Herald blog. Carol I think you exposed the kink in the armor of our firefighter union oponents. Your letter was brilliant in that attacking the self-perceived hero status resulted in an immediate anger management 101 response in the Times Herald from our very own IAFF Vice-Preisdent Jon Riley. You should watch out he is disturbed and troubled by your letter.....

Anonymous   |April.30.2008 Obsessive compulsive personality disorder (OCPD), or anankastic personality disorder, is a personality disorder that is characterized by a general psychological inflexibility, rigid conformity to rules and procedures, perfectionism, moral code, and/or excessive orderliness. Obsessive compulsive personality disorder (OCPD) is often confused with obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD). This could be due to the more commonly known OCD and the similarities in name of the two disorders, however the mindsets are typically different and unrelated. Those who are suffering from OCPD do not generally feel the need to repeatedly perform ritualistic actions, a common symptom of OCD. Instead, people with OCPD tend to stress perfectionism above all else, and feel anxious when they perceive that things are not "right". People with OCPD may hoard money for future use, keep their home perfectly organized, or be anxious about delegating tasks for fear that they won't be completed correctly. There are four primary areas that cause anxiety for OCPD personalities: time, relationship, uncleanliness, and money. There are few moral gray areas for a person with fully developed OCPD; actions and beliefs are either completely right, or absolutely wrong. As might be expected, interpersonal relationships are difficult because of the excessive demands placed on friends, romantic partners and children.

Anonymous   |April.30.2008 Obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) is a psychiatric anxiety disorder most commonly characterized by a subject's obsessive, distressing, intrusive thoughts and related compulsions (tasks or "rituals" which attempt to neutralize the obsessions. The phrase "obsessive-compulsive" has worked its way into the wider English lexicon, and is often used in an offhand manner to describe someone who is meticulous or absorbed in a cause (see "anal retentive".[1] Such casual references should not be confused with obsessive-compulsive disorder; see clinomorphism. It is also important to distinguish OCD from other types of anxiety, including the routine tension and stress that appear throughout life. Although these signs are often present in OCD, a person who shows signs of infatuation or fixation with a subject/object, or displays traits such as perfectionism, does not necessarily have OCD, a specific and well-defined condition. To be diagnosed with obsessive-compulsive disorder, one must have either obsessions or compulsions alone, or obsessions and compulsions, according to the DSM-IV-TR diagnostic criteria. The Quick Reference to the diagnostic criteria from DSM-IV-TR (2000) describes these obsessions and compulsions:[2] Obsessions are defined by: 1. Recurrent and persistent thoughts, impulses, or images that are experienced at some time during the disturbance, as intrusive and inappropriate and that cause marked anxiety or distress. 2. The thoughts, impulses, or images are not simply excessive worries about real-life problems. 3. The person attempts to ignore or suppress such thoughts, impulses, or images, or to neutralize them with some other thought or action. 4. The person recognizes that the obsessional thoughts, impulses, or images are a product of his or her own mind, and are not based in reality. Compulsions are defined by: 1. Repetitive behaviors or mental acts that the person feels driven to perform in response to an obsession, or according to rules that must be applied rigidly. 2. The behaviors or mental acts are aimed at preventing or reducing distress or preventing some dreaded event or situation; however, these behaviors or mental acts either are not connected in a realistic way with what they are designed to neutralize or prevent or are clearly excessive.

Sam Kurshan   |April.29.2008 Real Deal, or is it Just Curious? If you don't like what I post don't read it. Go to the AARP or the Readers Digest web site or anywhere else that caters to your mentality. I am stopping no one from posting. The fact is there were more people in support of letting me post than the handful of cry babies who demanded in their own hypocritically fascist way that I be banned by offering the ultimatum that if I wasn't they would leave. The bus is waiting for you! You and Curious can have this conversation with your self (s).

Anonymous   |April.29.2008 Ok now you crossed the threshold of my bulls--t meter, causing it to go off with your statement: "It has taken up a lot of space just to satisfy your questions and curiousity. Not much room left for others who may wish to speak on this or other items. Maybe you should consider starting your own blog which is not hard to do." I am not trying to satisfy my own curiosity. I have taken up no space that has stopped anyone else from posting here. I do not control that process. That's a lot of crap! As far as getting my own blog, that is your crude and unsubtle attempt to try to shoo me away. Me thinketh your stinketh is that of a troll. you have posted absolutely nothing, zero, nada, othet than to criticize my taking up too much space. every opportunity you took to do only that was an opportunity wasted wher you could have said something worthwhile. Someone entering this blog right now for the first time would see the obvious pattern which is a tit for tat go at it between you and I. Not about the issues but about your nonesense. No one else is here. Why don't you go to craigslist and correct people's spelling? Your time would be better invested there. You'll get no more of mine. No matter what you say, troll!

Real Deal   |April.29.2008 No Sam, you were taken off because of the way you were attacking others on this site, using profanity, (spelling the words out still counts) and taking over the board. Others knew it was you and suspected that you were posting under other names, thus the troll title. You can't blame all of what happened on other people. The only thing people ask is that you modify your behavior and not continue to disregard the rules as they are broad and give plenty of room to be expressive without turning others off from coming here.

Just Curious   |April.29.2008 Yes, well good luck with that. I'm not trying to be funny but for the most part, I think links would suffice. It has taken up a lot of space just to satisfy your questions and curiousity. Not much room left for others who may wish to speak on this or other items. Maybe you should consider starting your own blog which is not hard to do. Simple subject matter can initiate conversation. I don't know that by by passing the "links only" method and making people have to read past all of your subject matter is a fair way to inititate a conversation or for other people who may wish to speak on other issues. If the point of this type of site would be to share the space with thoughts, ideas and discourse, your printing verbatum, portions of the city charter and in effect forcing others to read through your issues of concern is somewhat boarish don't you think? Especially since you state that others have commented on your prior posts?

Sam Kurshan   |April.29.2008 Just Curious and anyone else who seeks clarification of what I am up to, The last time I got into a tit for tat debate with someone here several things occurred,ALL of which were unfair to me. One, people were in such denial concerning my comments, that they claimed it had to be someone else masquerading as me. Two, I was labeled a troll by those people. Three, when I stood my ground and refused to back down, my posts were removed by the editor of this blog, due to the complaints of the same handful of people. As a result, I decided that I was not going to post here any more, but then realized that all of the above, was not my fault so why shouldn't I keep posting here. So I decided to start posting again. I do not post often, but when I do I try to post something containing substance. Something that is an eye opener, something that will cause people to think and react in a way that will affect a change for the better. Bearing that in mind, instead of whining about things being wrong any more, I am trying to redirect my passion to researching and investigating, what caused things to go wrong and why. By posing the issues I did yesterday and today, I was trying to illustrate several points. One, whether or not the closed, teleconferenced Council meeting last night was legal. The answer is it was. Two, posed as an opinion, was that no union officer should also be a City employee. All the following posts were concerning research into the lwas that may have stated something concerning the allowance of this practice. The answer is, nothing waqs found in the Meyer-Milias Brown law or the Vallejo City Charter pertaining to this one way or another. Third, I posted something from the Vallejo City Charter pertaining to certain behavior prohibited from engaging in by Council members, because I believe some Council members behavior is a present violation of the Charter and therefore a punishable, misdemeanor violation of the law. Fourth, I posted the entire section of the City Charter pertaining to employee performance evaluations, because I believe the Charter is being violated and therefore again a punishable crime is being committed by the so far unexplainable thirty eight year (the Charter was adopted in 1970) absence of the fire fighters from this evaluation presence. I did this because I am trying to uncover the reason and answer for what is an obvious 38 year pattern which has permitted this employee group to not be subject to this process, (even though the Charter states all city employees are subject to it) and still be given salary increases which are required to be based upon these evaluations. This concerns money, you remember, something the city is lacking. I believe there has been collusion of union and city employees over the years which has resulted in this policy never bing implemented concerning the fire fighters. Combine that with the fact that Kurt Henke is a City employee and union officer at the same time and you are directed back to number three. The reason I post the entire sections of the pertinent laws is because very few people will take the time to click on a link and read the related information. I am trying to light a match under peoples tushies by enlightening them with the hope that they will be outraged enough to contact the powers that be, and demand an official investigation into what I am certain is responsible for the long and painful unravelling process this city has been forced to endure as a result of this criminal activity. I urge you all to go to the VIB TV section and watch the entire interview interview with former Vallejo City Council member, attorney, Lewis Brown. After watching it I believe you will see clearly what I am driving at. Believe me when I say there is a method to my madness.

Just Curious   |April.29.2008 Which is fine Sam except that it would be simpler to just put the reference link nd not have to copy the entire text out and making reading easier. You have posted a question somewhere in your numerous posts but in order for anyone who comes to this site to understand what the issue is, they have to read the entire post which I have done, but I still am not sure what the question is. Your last post copied the city charter section to employee evaluations which was covered n a council session a couple of weeks back? Was that the question? Evaluations? Or the legality of union reps being employees? Or the Brown Act covering yesterday's council meeting?

Sam Kurshan   |April.29.2008 Just Curious, In that case perhaps you ought to read past my name because I asked specific questions and made specific statements that give a clear impression of what I am trying to achieve.

Sam Kurshan   |April.29.2008 Someone's got some 'splaining to do! Good night kiddies.

Sam Kurshan   |April.29.2008 I did find this delicious morsel though, pertaining to performance reviews, how they are supposed to be given to ALL CITY EMPLOYEES and how they are tied to salary increases: 2.60.950 Performance evaluation program. A. The city manager and city attorney shall implement a system of performance evaluations for all city of Vallejo employees subject to their respective control and direction. This program shall be governed by the City Charter, Section 803, Personnel Ordinance, Subsection j, and be implemented under Administrative Rule No. 2.13. B. Under direction of the city manager, the human resources director will prepare procedures and coordinate the development and maintenance of performance standards on a current basis. C. Departmental directors and immediate supervisors will be responsible for developing individual performance standards for each position or group of similar positions which are subject to their respective control and direction. (Ord. 1433 N.C. (2d) � 1 (part), 2000.) 2.60.960 Frequency of performance evaluations. A. Regular full-time and part-time employees will receive performance evaluations a minimum of once per year. Nothing shall prevent a supervisor from conducting additional evaluations as deemed necessary for any employee during the course of the given year. B. In order to determine eligibility for step increases, employees will receive performance evaluations in accordance with Section 2.60.340. Entry level employees at a minimum will receive performance evaluations at two, four, six and twelve months. For employees whose probationary period is eighteen months, performance evaluations will also occur at fifteen and eighteen months. Employees who are transferred or promoted will also receive performance evaluations at two, four, and six months, and annually thereafter. (Ord. 1433 N.C. (2d) � 1 (part), 2000.) 2.60.970 Reports on completion of performance evaluations. The city manager and city attorney shall report annually in writing to the city council on completion of the performance evaluations for their respective employees. Their reports will be submitted at the first regular meeting of the council conducted after the close of the preceding fiscal year. (Ord. 1433 N.C. (2d) � 1 (part), 2000.) This leaves the obvious questions unanswered: What is being done to make the fire fighters comply, how did they get way with not being in compliance for so long and if their step raises are supposed to be contingent upon their performance evaluations, who determined whom would get raises and by what means? Someone

Just Curious   |April.29.2008 Wow! Sam I'm confused. You have posted a lot of stuff on here but is there a question that your seeking an answer to? For the sake of brevity, can you simply post the links for your references and state the summary to you findings? I'm not sure what all of this is for and what it means?

Sam Kurshan   |April.29.2008 Hello Kiddies, I found nothing in the City Charter pertaining to the selection of who will represent an employee group and whether or not they may or may not be a union officer and be employed at the same time as a City employee. As a result I am curious to know how much latitude the City would have if it were to try to create a rule stating that a City employee can not be an officer of a union which represents any City employee. This bears further research and discussion. I will keep you informed of any new information.

Sam Kurshan   |April.29.2008 Thought I'd come up for air for a minute. Still researching the matter, but in the process found this tasty tid bit in the City Charter concerning the behavior of City Council members: Section 503 Noninterference. Except for the purpose of inquiry into the affairs of the City and the conduct of any City department, office or agency, the Council or its members shall deal with City officers and employees who are subject to the direction and supervision of the City Manager solely through the City Manager and neither the Council nor its members shall give orders to any officer or employee either publicly or privately nor shall they attempt to coerce or influence the City Manager in respect to any contract or purchase of supplies or any other administrative action or in any manner direct or request the appointment of any person to, or his/her removal from, office by the City Manager or his/her subordinates. Violation of the provisions of this Section by a member of the Council shall be a misdemeanor, conviction of which shall immediately result in forfeiture of the once of the convicted member. (Amendment adopted by the electors of the city, 11/7/00.)

Sam Kurshan   |April.29.2008 A little quick research and through the modern miracle of the internet, VOILA! The answer, as stated in Chapter 10- (Local public employee organizations) of the Meyers-Milias Brown Act. "Nothing contained herein shall be deemed to supersede the provisions of existing state law and the charters, ordinances, and rules of local public agencies that establish and regulate a merit or civil service system or which provide for other methods of administering employer-employee relations nor is it intended that this chapter be binding upon those public agencies that provide procedures for the administration of employer-employee relations in accordance with the provisions of this chapter." It would seem to mean that this says a local jurisdiction's Charter would NOT be superseded by this act. Now I will research the City Charter and see if there is anything in it pertaining to this. If need be I will contact the City Attorney for some help and/or the answer, which I will post here once it is available.

Sam Kurshan   |April.29.2008 Lucy, I got some 'splaining to do! Yesterday, I posted a comment pertaining to the legality of the closed, teleconferenced Council meeting. I answered the question by doing research of the Brown Act. The meeting was 100% legal. I also made a separate comment stating that I believe no Union Officer should also be allowed to be a city employee. Therefore, not allowing them to participate in ANY TYPE of labor negotiations while in that kind of employment. I believe that if they want to be involved in labor negotiations they should do so solely as a representative of their union and its membership and not in the dual role of employee. I believe that it is impossible to fairly and objectively negotiate a labor agreement under those circumstances. Whether there is anything concerning this in the Brown Act OR NOT, at this writing, I am unaware of it. This may be something a labor attorney needs to answer, but just upon speculating that this type of behavior is protected under a specific body of law (which I would like to know the name of and upon further research, hope to provide an answer to as well as more information)I believe it can be legally challenged and changed, just as is the case with binding arbitration. What I am leading up to is a process for review and revision of the entire City Charter. The end product being a more efficient body of law that the City operates under. Capice?

On Fire   |April.29.2008 Mr. Tatham, being that you were a former union rep and familiar with Meyer-Milias Brown, can you tell us if this protects the city employee's right to mediation in labor disputes. There is an opinion going around that the removal of the binding interest arbitration clause in the City Charter would then take away the rights of the employees to mediation. Is this true or are they protected by Meyer-Milias Brown?

Michael Tatham   |April.29.2008 meyer-milias brown just sets forths the rules for some bargaining groups in collective bargaining. from what i can see (i retired as a union rep 20 years ago) neither side as violated meyer-milias brown.

Ghost   |April.29.2008 Sam, Don't know if this can help you with your questions, but what about the Meyers Milias Brown Act? It governs Labor-Management relationships in California local governments.

CAROL   |April.29.2008 www.supervisorlewis.org So what's the story on Lewis?

NBR   |April.29.2008 Sam: Don't be so paranoid, there is no intention to provoke or tempt. Your idea has merit to consider. I just want to make sure that all the unions are targeted for these restrictions.

Sam Kurshan   |April.29.2008 NBR, Sorry, I'm not going to to take any more bait. Go back to the T.H. blogs and do your trolling there.

NBR   |April.29.2008 Sam Kurshan: "Both" So your answer to the previously asked question:"WOW! Sounds like you want to go after the presidents of IPOA, IAFF, CAMP, IBEW" is .... yes. ALL the city union presidents cannot be employees of the city or represent their unions during arbitration. Does that include mediation as well?

Firebug   |April.29.2008 Excellent letter Mr. Feller! I have always felt that with potential developments shrinking in incorporated areas, the political muck would move up to the County. I have been trying to figure out the political motivation of the Henkettes to cross union lines and endorse Silva, that connection is the Wallymart development and the white slough area. I am also concerned with the development encroachment in thos "enterprise" areas and how they might effect future development around Travis AFB.

John K   |April.29.2008 Speaking of binding arbitration, TONIGHT there's a volunteer training session to learn more about gathering signatures to put an initiative on the November ballot and remove binding arbitration from the Vallejo City Charter. Might also be an opportunity to meet more people involved in the effort and perhaps share some of your experiences and ideas with the group. TONIGHT - April 29 at 7 PM First Lutheran Church at 912 Florida Street (corner of Florida and Napa)

Firebug   |April.29.2008 More reason's we need to get our expenses in control in Vallejo by eliminating Binding Arbitration. 413 foreclosures in vallejo for the first quarter 2008! http://www.sfgate.com/webdb/foreclosures/

Sam Kurshan   |April.29.2008 NBR, BOTH.

Doug Sherman   |April.29.2008 Sam, thanks for attending this meeting and passing along the info. I appreciate it.

NBR   |April.29.2008 Sam, which is it: no "officership" or ' he or she shall not represent in any collective bargaining process'? 1) They can't hold office or 2) they cannot sit at the collective bargaining process? Is item 1) not a concern if item 2) is successfully removed from the City Charter via the ballot?

Sam Kurshan   |April.28.2008 Concerning this evening's Council meeting. I went to this meeting only after doing two things thoroughly and meticulously. One. Reading the Brown Act and becoming familiar with its rules governing the kind of closed, combined teleconferenced meeting which took place as well as how and under what circumstances the outcome of that meeting is required to be disclosed to the public. As far as those concerns go, the City acted 100% legally and in compliance with the Brown Act, in scheduling, announcing and holding the meeting, including the use of teleconferencing. The second issue though is what I believe confused more people than just myself, concerning the stated participants of the meeting as per the publicized agenda and in turn the confusion it caused us to wrongly interpret, that any announcement made as a result of any conclusion or new development of that meeting would be announced at its end in a reconvened public session, when in fact the following is what actually took place: I arrived to an empty Council chamber. The participants of the meeting began arriving and immediately went into the conference room behind the Chamber. City Clerk Mary Ellsworth was instructed to invite any member of the public who was present into the conference room for the opening and public portion of the meeting, (because the City was unable to facilitate the teleconferencing mechanism in the main Council Chamber) as well as permitting their comments to be made. I, being the only member of the public present, felt it was important for me to make a statement. I stated that, I'll always have hopes for a resolution that allows the City to not have to declare bankruptcy. But realistically those hopes were based on the unions making large enough concessions to avoid having that occur and since ample time had transpired to allow them to make those concessions and to date they have not been made, that bankruptcy should be considered as a positive mechanism by allow the city to use it as a foundation to rebuild itself financially. As soon as I concluded my remarks I left the room and the closed session commenced. If you carefully read the agenda you will see where it states that representatives of the negotiating parties for the unions involved would be present as participants of the closed session, besides the second item concerning a possible litigation matter involving the City. THIS IS WHAT CAUSED THE CONFUSION. In actuality, as was explained to me just as I left prior to the commencement of the closed session, as well as by Council members Gomes and Schively after the session ended at 7:50pm, (which I waited there until, still confused, and believing I might hear an announcement based upon any new developments that led to a conclusion,) was that I was wrong to have thought that, because the part of the meeting concerning the labor negotiations was only to go over what had taken place through the last meeting with the negotiating parties representatives and that if any announcement was to have occurred it would only have pertained to a new development or resolution concerning the litigation issue. I then brought up the statement on the agenda, stating the union's negotiating representatives would be present and Council Members Gomes and Schively told me that THIS WAS A MISTAKE AND SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PRINTED and that they would speak to Joe Tanner about it as well as the confusion it caused. So there you have it, right from the a-s-s-h-ol-e-'s mouth. Oops I mean horses mouth. As it stands, Tuesday May 6th is the day of reckoning. Faithfully submitted, this twenty eight day of April, 2008, by Seargeant of Arms Robert Neidermeyer III. Oops, I mean Sam Kurshan

Sam Kurshan   |April.28.2008 WOW, GEE, MAN, I'm only citing what has always been apparent, with the hope it will illuminate a light in peoples minds so enough of that light is shed on the underlying issue, magnifying it enough to bring it to the surface in a dialog that will hopefully yield a solution to this example of gross impropriety. I will clarify what I meant. No Union officer who is also an employee of the City he or she represents in any collective bargaining process concerning that same union should be allowed to do so, because it is a conflict of interest. The issue needs to be addressed in a serious manner with the hope of its resolution being an end to this practice.

go get em'   |April.28.2008 "I believe there is a away to legally mandate that no City employee whose union affiliation is above the level of shop steward (traditionally an on the job site, union position that an employee is elected to by his peers)be permitted to be employed by the City at the same time they hold such union officership." WOW! Sounds like you want to go after the presidents of IPOA, IAFF, CAMP, IBEW

Sam Kurshan   |April.28.2008 Due to technical constraints it's not always possible to copy paste something of interest here. Posting the link is always a good alternative. I was trying to cite a section of the Brown Act that pertains to Kurt Henke's breech of the confidentiality laws when he "spilled the beans" concerning the closed session negotiations that led to the ban aid solution. Section 54963 of The Brown Act, "Confidential Information", states that an employee may be disciplined for violating this section. Its seeems that Joe Tanner ultimately holds the cards concerning whether or not to impose discipline on Kurt Henke. If that were to occur we know that retaliation against Joe would be swiftly commenced. Never the less, I believe there is a away to legally mandate that no City employee whose union affiliation is above the level of shop steward (traditionally an on the job site, union position that an employee is elected to by his peers)be permitted to be employed by the City at the same time they hold such union officership. This is just one of many things that need to be changed in order to effectuate more efficient functioning of City government.

Just a Suggestion   |April.28.2008 Sam, wouldn't it be easier if you simply post the link? That way anyone who wanted to know the details could go there and read it? Seems like an easier way to do things.

Sam Kurshan   |April.28.2008 Section 54963 of the brown Act, concerning the disclosure of confidential information: (a) A person may not disclose confidential information that has been acquired by being present in a closed session authorized by Section 54956.7, 54956.8, 54956.86, 54956.87, 54956.9, 54957, 54957.6, 54957.8, or 54957.10 to a person not entitled to receive it, unless the legislative body authorizes disclosure of that confidential information. (b) For purposes of this section,

Sam Kurshan   |April.28.2008 For the rest of the section use this link: http://www.foley.com/files/tbl_s31Publications/FileUpload137/1948/brown.act.PDF My concern was the legality of a closed meeting pertaining to labor contract negotiations, how it must be conducted and how and under what circumstances its results must be disclosed to the public. My other concern was the legality of teleconferencing being used. Unfortunately and as frustrating as the public has become, concerning the lack of any concrete information concerning the progress or lack of progress of these closed meetings, according to the Brown Act, they are legal, teleconferencing is legal and the results are required to be disclosed to the public immediately following the closed session, ONLY IF AN AGREEMENT IS REACHED.

Sam Kurshan   |April.28.2008 .

Sam Kurshan   |April.28.2008 Character problem. empty comment

Sam Kurshan   |April.28.2008 (4) For the purposes of this section,

Sam Kurshan   |April.28.2008 Section of the Brown Act pertaining to teleconferencing: (a) All meetings of the legislative body of a local agency shall be open and public, and all persons shall be permitted to attend any meeting of the legislative body of a local agency, except as otherwise provided in this chapter. (b) (1) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the legislative body of a local agency may use teleconferencing for the benefit of the public and the legislative body of a local agency in connection with any meeting or proceeding authorized by law. The teleconferenced meeting or proceeding shall comply with all requirements of this chapter and all otherwise (Section 54952.2. continued) Section 54952.6. Action taken defined Section 54952.7. Distribution of Brown Act copies Section 54953. Meetings to be public; attendance by phone 5 FOLEY & LARDNER applicable provisions of law relating to a specific type of meeting or proceeding. (2) Teleconferencing, as authorized by this section, may be used for all purposes in connection with any meeting within the subject matter jurisdiction of the legislative body. All votes taken during a teleconferenced meeting shall be by rollcall. (3) If the legislative body of a local agency elects to use teleconferencing, it shall post agendas at all teleconference locations and conduct teleconference meetings in a manner that protects the statutory and constitutional rights of the parties or the public appearing before the legislative body of a local agency. Each teleconference location shall be identified in the notice and agenda of the meeting or proceeding, and each teleconference location shall be accessible to the public. During the teleconference, at least a quorum of the members of the legislative body shall participate from locations within the boundaries of the territory over which the local agency exercises jurisdiction. The agenda shall provide an opportunity for members of the public to address the legislative body directly pursuant to Section 54954.3 at each teleconference location. (4) For the purposes of this section,

IMHO: redux   |April.28.2008 ...... 'Whether they are paid 32 per hr or 10% above avg @ 35 per hr. ........

Firebug   |April.28.2008 And for teh record I do not consider a Council majority paid by the same Chamber of commerce contributiions or safety unions to inherit these problems. We have the majority of Council candidates receiving these contributions and winning elections currently and in the preceding decades. Candidates that do not accept these campaign $$ do not need to be concerned with voting against these over-priced contracts, it is the ones that take their money that owe favors.

Firebug   |April.28.2008 An great article by Kenneth Brook which supports Robert's letter to the editor regarding the shameless article about the "voters supporting a safety tax". http://www.ethicalego.com/vallejo_tax_survey.htm

IMHO: redux   |April.28.2008 Individually they continue to protect and serve this community quite well and effectively, no matter if they live here or not. Whether they are paid $32 per hr or 10% above avg @ $35 per hr. I would expect ANY worker (civil servant or pvt) to look very close at an employers claim that a 30% salary cut and a change in pension is required. "Letting their union bully this community flies in the face of that pledge." "bully" is not interchangeable for 'fighting for what has been fairly negotiated'. And trying to maintain what has been fairly negotiated has NOTHING to do with how they perform their "pledge" to the community

IMHO   |April.27.2008 I don't expect immediate solutions to this decades-in-the-making problem of a structural deficit by Osby or this council. But I do expect that they make wise, courageous decisions NOW to solve the problem. They largely inherited the problem, so no need to place blame or get defensive about your favorite elected official. The key is what they do NOW, or what they don't do. So far, I've seen nothing from the Funded Four or Osby but delay, indecisiveness, and in the case of at least three members, silence. I can just hear Henke telling them, "you have four votes (or five), don't say a word. Just press the little button kids." And I'm sorry, but the "union" doesnt come to my house to save me. Firefighters and police officers get paid very, very well to do that. The Union, most notably 1186, doesnt save lives. The Union is slowly strangling the life out of MY city. I apprecite the work our vpd and vfd employees do and I separate them from my anger at their Union. But they also bear some responsibility for this strangulation because they are letting their Union representatives threaten, sue, lie and cheat in their names. Individually they should have the courage to tell their union leaders to stop the bully tactics and gamesplaying, and help solve the problem. Individually they are charged with protecting and serving this community, no matter if they live here or not. Letting their union bully this community flies in the face of that pledge.

Sam Kurshan   |April.27.2008 I may ultimately be wrong for thinking this, but I believe hiz onna went to South Carolina, knowing in advance that something negative will be publicly announced today. I believe he thinks his physical absence will make it less of a humiliating personal defeat, especially and in case the media gets wind of the meeting and are lying in wait for the outcome.

Sam Kurshan   |April.27.2008 I would like to know if someone can answer this question: Where is it stated in the City Charter, that secret, closed door negotiations are permitted to take place when it concerns the negotiation of union contracts or any other business that affects the public? I want to see the law, regulation, statute, what have you,concerning this because it is time for this practice to end. There has got to be some legal basis to challenge this.

On Fire   |April.27.2008 Gee, Ozzy felt that his golf game was more important than say...Vallejo's financial crisis? He and his wife felt it was more important to make the 18 holes than try to figure out how to keep the city afloat. Hey, what the heck, he can stand in the lobby of his hotel at 8 pm and yell into a phone. Hope there aren't too many people in Myrtle Beach that want to participate in community forum! He may have them escorted out of the hotel. You think maybe they (council)know that the concessions by the henkettes isn't going to amount to anyhing more than an insult to the intellegence of the community, so why bother putting off a vacation? Fore!

Nubie   |April.27.2008 I wish you people would stop referring to "The Union' as if it was a 'spot on the moon'. The "union' represents the people who would come to your house in an emergency. Those people belong to the union to protect their livelihood and working conditions. The 'Union' is not a diry word!! I agree with 'the wiz' how is Mayor Davis suppose to solve the sins of the long past in just a few months - but he is trying-- on our behalf!!!!

Shay58   |April.27.2008 I don't blame Sarah for not wanting a byline if she has to deal with editorial manipulation that favors one side. I don't understand what the editorial staff is getting out of this union brown nosing. You would think the unions would be kissing up to the paper, not the other way around. Strange.

the wiz   |April.27.2008 four months in office and mayor davis should fix decades of mismangement? come on people... what about schively gomes bartee intintoli sunga the other davis? hello / the list goes on. Why is it that Mayor Davis is now responsible for the wrongdoings of the current and past council now that he is mayor? you are all evidently smoking something better than your mayoral hopeful was down in palm springs on the eve of his non election.

Times Horrid Watch   |April.27.2008 Anyone notice Sarah Rohrs' missing byline again today? Something is definitely up at the Times Horrid. Hopefully she finally said "no" to Ronny and Teddy turning her unbiased news stories into biased union PR fluff pieces. Stay tough Sarah.

Silas Barnabe   |April.27.2008 Let's see we elected these jokers five months ago they took office four months ago and to date have done absolutely nothing! All we get from these new-comers is obfuscation and delaying. I think enough time has elapsed to play turn the tables game. If Ozzie and the flustered four really and truly believe there is hidden money it would make most sense to put it before the courts. During the Chapter 9 process all assets and revenues, as well as obligations will be put under a microscope. So this begs a kind of re-allignment question. What types of things are Ozzie and the four mimers trying to hide?

Sonic Toad   |April.27.2008 I tend to agree. A closed session is definitely needed to evaluate the latest proposal and although Osby is at Myrtle Beach they need to get some things resolved to handle the May 6 deadline. They can't wait until Osby gets back to meet. I would imagine that the lawyers said another two weeks would not be too harmful, but beyond that I think it's getting dangerous with the prep time for Chap 9 and dealing with a judge. Here Come Da Judge with the IAFF throwing the dice..

Firebug   |April.27.2008 I am beginning to wonder if we are making too much of this behind the scenes negotiating macabre. For those that read the Chronicle read this mornings sobering forecast of household budgets and things folks and families will be spending less on in the next several years. Some of things we will be doing less is eating out, entertainment (amusement parks like Discovery kingdom), going to casinos and hotels, and driving less. The message to me as people conserve more is less of a demand for LNG plants and refineries, less of a demand at Casinos, and other forms of entertainment that "cost" money. This means that people will be spending more time at home or going out to public parks. It is a sad state of affairs when the economy forces our inert leadership to find reality. My thoughts on the behind the scenes negotiations (if Joanne Shively's mentioning that she has seen nothing worth while is a clue) is that the unions are saying we already got what we want "staff you figure a way out of this". With no other options left we have a sobering Council majority faced with making the decision to file for Chapter 9.

John K   |April.27.2008 "I'm hoping staff has something of substance..." to present in Monday's closed session. - Councilman Tom Bartee, according to Sunday's times horrid

carol   |April.26.2008 Hey what's my family cat "rainbow" doing on the VIB blog? Thanks for the updated info. Thanks for the heads up re: Tues meeting.

John K   |April.26.2008 Oops. Forgot to add that The Plan addresses unfunded liabilities for employee retirements and medical. What else did I leave out? CORRECTION: (My happy pills must be wearing off.) They may be politicians, but Council will see there can be no WIN-WIN in the plan. It has to be WIN-LOSE. Won't any plan that's good for Vallejo be necessarily horrible for the union? Is Council prepared for that kind of "tough decision"?

John K   |April.26.2008 Disturbing, Katy. The thought that it's possible the negotiators could present Council with a plan to avoid bankruptcy that will hobble this City completely. And disconcerting to suspect they might AYE the darned thing. Optimism says it's doubtful. From reading Diana Lang's recent experience with the Chamber, I'm hopeful there's a movement to loosen the stranglehold and that Council just might make a "tough" decision that's best for Vallejo and not necessarily best for the unions. If they choose to avoid Chapter 9, then SURELY they'll have a good plan. A Very Good Plan. A Plan that balances the budget for the next 5 years, with a hefty reserve, includes funding for street repairs and other public works, full funding for CBO's, and enough left over to hire more employees to ensure adequate services and minimize overtime. Hey! Nice cat.

Katy Miessner   |April.25.2008 Here's the rest, keeps cutting it off... ANTICIPATED LITIGATION INITIATION OF LITIGATION PURSUANT TO SUBDIVISION (C) OF GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 54956.9. NUMBER OF CASES: ONE. D. OPEN SESSION An open session will be held pursuant to Government Code section 54975.1 if the City Council takes an action in closed session that must be reported out to the public.

Katy Miessner   |April.25.2008 Thanks Anon for the tip. The agenda indicates that Osby Davis will be calling in from Myrtle Beach, NC and reserves the right to make public comments via teleconference... hmmm...is this the night for Bankruptcy? An attempt to do it without the hoards of press? Or presenting the City with a plan to avoid bankruptcy that will hobble this City completely? It seems something will be happening since Davis has reserved his right to comment publicly via teleconference. Here's the full agenda: In accordance with the provisions of the Ralph M. Brown Act, Government Code Section 54956, you and each of you are hereby notified that I, Osby Davis, have called a Special Meeting Closed Session of the City Council of the City of Vallejo on Monday, April 28, 2008, to consider only the matters stated below at: City Council Chambers, 555 Santa Clara Street, Vallejo, California at 5 p.m. (PST) Teleconference Location: Caravelle Towers, Main Lobby, 7000 N. Ocean Blvd., Myrtle Beach, South Carolina at 2 p.m. (EST) NOTE: Pursuant to Government Code section 54953(b), this meeting will include teleconference participation by Mayor Osby Davis from the address listed above. This Notice and Agenda will be posted at the teleconference location and public comment from the teleconference location will be allowed. AGENDA A. ROLL CALL B. PUBLIC COMMENT-- Members of the public shall have the opportunity to address the City Council concerning any item listed on this agenda before or during consideration of that item. No other items may be discussed at this special meeting. C. CLOSED SESSION 1. CONFERENCE WITH LABOR NEGOTIATORS PURSUANT TO GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 54957.6. NEGOTIATORS: JOSEPH TANNER, CITY MANAGER; CRAIG WHITTOM, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER-COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT; DENNIS MORRIS, HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR; ROBERT STOUT, FINANCE DIRECTOR; EMPLOYEE ORGANIZATIONS: INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FIRE FIGHTERS, LOCAL 1186 (IAFF), VALLEJO POLICE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION (VPOA), INTERNATIONAL BROTHERHOOD OF ELECTRICAL WORKERS, LOCAL 2376 (IBEW) AND CONFIDENTIAL, ADMINISTRATIVE, AND MANAGERIAL PROFESSIONALS (CAMP) 2. CONFERENCE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL ANTICIPATED LITIGATION

Anonymous   |April.25.2008 City Council - Special Meeting - Closed Session April 28, 2008 - 50 PM "An open session will be held pursuant to Government Code section 54975.1 if the City Council takes an action in closed session that must be reported out to the public."

Imsosmart   |April.25.2008 Nah! More fun outting you to our viewers. How's that pet thing going?

LOLFMVisiToadatonfirebug58   |April.25.2008 No, I didn't! Imsosmart, you really ought to be more courteous in posting, and avoid making unfounded accusations. I realize you're mostly kids around here, but have you never heard of netiquette. Just because someone's anonymous, that doesn't mean they're "Anonymous". Better still why I don't just find somewhere else to post that isn't run by petty tyrants. - The person who runs the names together

Imsosmart   |April.25.2008 Exactly, just needed you to say that's what you are doing. Thanks!

Anonymous   |April.25.2008 Dear iamsosmart: Maybe "The person who runs the names together" is just poking fun at other people who don't post under their real names, leave out all the white space in their pseudonyms, and "post questions just for the heck of it."

iamsosmart   |April.25.2008 The person who runs the names together seems to only as redundant questions and offers nothing else to the conversation so what's your point? Are you really interested in having a discussion or are you merely trying to fill the space with frivolous comments?

iamsosmart   |April.25.2008 Not sure who this "Anon-pand-run all the names together" person is that seems to post questions just for the heck of it but I can't understand why they are trying to fill up the space with nonsense. I hate to think that we are beginning to smell a troll.

Anonymous   |April.25.2008 "I was at the Chamber of Commerce mixer last night." I believe we have a winner in the LEAST LIKELY STATEMENT TO APPEAR ON ViB contest. Tell us about the prizes she'll be taking home, Johnny.

Pandemoniac_666   |April.25.2008 Vallejo Visitor wrote: "..I believe it would be useful for someone in Vallejo with a bit of stature to contact.." "..care needs to be taken so an approach to one or more members of the board of the Chamber is done with respect and care.." Whoa there masked stranger, thems fightin' words. I'm not so sure we be wantin' no Visitor comin' into town and incitin' folks to show respect and care, study relationships, and go lookin' into sliding wedges. Heck, next you'll be a'calling for a high noon showdown over tea and crumpets with Kurt and John-boy. Visitor, you keep your fightin' words for your own affairs and leave us Vallejoans to settle things in own slow but useless ways.

J.M   |April.25.2008 Vallejo Visitor; you're very well informed & your opinions & knowledge are valuable. Regarding BA, Univision Spanish 14 Bay area news did have a report on this Wednesday at 6pm. The more public exposure the better...I am still trying to find the link

Diana Lang   |April.25.2008 First, Vallejo Visitor - you rock! I've read many of your posts on Topix and you are consistent, logical and insightful - all of which makes the opposition sputter and foam up in their inarticulate anger. You make me smile :o) I was at the Chamber of Commerce mixer last night. I got many signatures from the membership. Many had already signed. Some are waiting for the BA issue to be presented to the Governmental Affairs committee and, some privately told me they were in support and will be getting pages to gather signatures themselves. I find great support within the Chamber members because that stranglehold the safety union once had on the membership is loosening. In part thanks to some individuals within the chamber who prohibited some of the safety union leaders (RiIey, Parker) from being on the Board. You are right, signatures are one thing but education of the populace is necessary for success. That will be hard knowing the safety unions will use lots of money against the citizens trying to get BA off the city charter (y'all remember 'Babies will diiiie!!!'). Still have yet to hear a legit reason to keep it on the charter...crickets. Vallejo Visitor please go to the site referenced below and send in any ideas or background you think will assist. Thanks!

LOLFMVisiToadatonfirebug58   |April.25.2008 Why do the local newspaper and Chamber of Commerce support the police and fire unions? Why are the union bosses and newspaper editors members of the Chamber of Commerce? Why were the rent-a-vote council members paid for by unions AND local business organizations? Why have Chamber leaders traditionally had a "back door key" to City Hall? Why? Because there is a cadre of old time local business owners (just check a few of our downtown street names -- the ones that aren't states or counties) who believe that the city belongs to them, and that they have a right to run it, free from interference from democratically elected Council Members and city bureaucrats. To them, a perfect city provides police and fire services to protect their property, but has not one penny left over for any other city services. Other city departments only get in the way of the old boys, by enforcing by-laws, demanding permits, making inspections, and so on. They don't live in the city. They don't care if the streets are clean, or even paved, so long as they bring customer's to their door. Traditionally, the old boys also owned the local paper, radio and TV stations. That isn't true any more, but they do still provide the bulk of the advertising that keeps the paper in business. QED

LFM   |April.25.2008 Vallejo Visitor, first and foremost, thank you for your comments on Topix. A voice of reason in the sea of hysteria! We would love to have your input on the task at hand. Please contact us via the Citizens for Vallejo site: info@citizensforvallejo.org We would appreciate any suggestions you may have as it is apparent that you know the players here in Vallejo. Keep up the good work at Topix.

Rick Mariani   |April.25.2008 RE: VALLEJO VISITOR That was the most honest and intelligent discourse I have read on this or the TH blog. Kudos!!!!

Vallejo Visitor   |April.24.2008 I've not posted here before and won't likely become a regular contributor since I post on the Times-Herald Topix board. I'd be preaching to the converted here which would be nice but not a very good use of my time. There are a couple of points I'd like to make for those who intend to use more than their keyboards to move Vallejo into a new era. Vallejo really needs people willing to work in the trenches, first for getting signatures for the Charter amendment on binding interest arbitration and then for securing its passage in November. The fire union will fight tooth and nail to stop this from happening, so if success is to be achieved it will require perseverance AND skill. First, the Times-Herald has not been a serious newspaper for as long as I've read it, which began thirty-five years ago. Of course, when Luther Gibson owned the newspaper, and most of downtown it was not a surprise that he supported downtown revitalization and welcomed support from politically savvy folks like the Chamber of Commerce and public safety unions. But Luther Gibson and his heirs are out of the newspaper business now. His grandson David Payne still owns WestAmerica Bank and likely still owns real estate downtown, but the Times-Herald is owned by Media News Groups out of Denver, Colorado. Its Chief Executive Officer, William Dean Singleton, has been acquiring small and medium sized newspapers around the Bay Area over the last few years. From my understanding, Mr. Singleton is a shrewd businessman but so far as I know, he is not a great friend of labor. I believe it would be useful for someone in Vallejo with a bit of stature to contact Mr. Singleton and inquire whether he supports the editorial policy of the Times-Herald regarding the impasse with the public safety unions. I don't know how much independence local editors have, nor do I know whether Mr. Singleton, or his minions in Denver would rise to the occasion, but this strikes me as one opportunity to alter the playing field in these coming months. If the Times-Herald wrote stories that highlighted salary and fringe benefits, as well as a balanced assessment of binding interest arbitration it would make a huge difference. Secondly, the Chamber of Commerce has consistently joined with the public safety unions in endorsing candidates for City Council, hence we've had unending support for pouring money into downtown and for rich labor settlements for police and fire unions. I'm not quite certain what makes that tie so close. I believe there would be benefit in learning what that relationship is all about to see if there is any possibility of sliding a wedge between business leaders and union leaders. Business owners are susceptible to pressure from consumers. Pickets on the sidewalk generally aren't good for business. Again, care needs to be taken so an approach to one or more members of the board of the Chamber is done with respect and care. This isn't about ****ing anyone off, but about trying to understand something that is curious to say the least. It is rather easy to organize to gather signatures, but it is a bit more complicated to mobilize a political campaign. Again, chatting online may be fun for the moment, but it is pretty worthless when it comes to getting measures passed by the citizenry. I no longer live in Vallejo and don't have an interest is doing grass roots organizing but I know from experience that folks will get involved only if they feel their interests are threatened. The current financial crisis, if managed properly, may be the issue that will generate and sustain interest. If not, the outrage on this board will be so much hot air. It is up to you. Good luck Vallejo!

John K   |April.24.2008 Posted by "Abominous" on a times horrid blog: "I say go all the way to the first of June without doing anything. At least that way the judge will get a true picture of the disaster in this town."

Sonic Toad   |April.24.2008 In the longer term property taxes are not the issue. Please remember the escalating costs over the next 3 years that property taxes would not make up. It's a structural deficit that can't be made up by property taxes or even taxes approved by voters unless they want to see compounded increases each and every year. This must be approached as a business would handle it. Unfortunately tax revenue is not likely to pass, which leaves the city with reducing costs or increasing revenue elsewhere which has a very long lead time. When a commercial business is in trouble we continually see layoffs, office closures, paycuts and bankruptct to continue operation. Doesn't matter if it was poor management that put them in that situation or not. Why should Vallejo be any different?

knot2knew   |April.24.2008 "The reason more cuts are needed has a lot to do with the assessed values of homes in Vallejo that are reducing the amount of taxes that are coming into the city coffers." And so that becomes public safetys problem to solve? How much more of a problem in $ shifted to public safety because of this reduced revenue? You sound hypocritical. It is not public safetys fault that your house produces less tax revenue for the city, you don't want to pay more taxes to make up your portion of the lost revenue, you want somebody to take a pay cut that will suppliment your reduced contribution!

halfglasosmartruthtelurshan   |April.24.2008 Vallejo-Time Herald, The Editor Dear Sir: Was it really the intent of your editorial ("Winning this battle will be no slam dunk", Thursday, April 24th, 200 to suggest that two decisively elected Council Members, Gomes and Schively, should sit out current budget deliberations? Using strained basketball analogies, you seemed to be suggesting that Council Members Gomes and Schively, each elected by our open-place method to represent the entire city, should nevertheless sit "on the bench" in current deliberations or else, by offering dissenting opinions, they would undermine the "five starters" in their efforts to "find ways to win." Is this really what you meant to write? Were you really parroting the ultra-rightist, Fox Newsy bigots who, 5 years ago, blathered that anyone who opposed the Presidents glorious war of Iraq liberation should stand mute, or else be branded a traitor, or terrorist supporter? Do you seriously believe that democracy actually means that only the majority have the right to voice an opinion? Six weeks ago, Mayor Davis called in TV cameras from the Bay Area and beyond and promised the public a resolution by April 22nd. When that date came, he admitted there was no resolution, refused to apologize for breaking his promise, and unilaterally accepted a further delay of two weeks before acknowledging the inevitable. His ally, Council Member Bartee only pronounced himself "disappointed", while the other members of the "starting five" said and did nothing. Well, His Honor wasn't wearing a flight suit, but the event had "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" written all over it. And this is what the Times Herald's Editorial Board wants us, and our independent Council Members, and our courageous City Manager to keep quiet about? We have to ask: WHY? Yours sincerely

On Fire   |April.24.2008 knot2knew, yes the projections for 2008-2008 would be vital, and I believe this is why Gomes and Schivley stated that the public should know what those projections are, along with the figures for the 'concessions' the unions have offered. Since these are all 'homeland security' items, we can only use projections with the prior figures that were used and cost out the people that have left the city's employment. What I find interesting is that you come to this board and make snide remarks making assumptions about the people you assume post here. Yet you come back asking questions on these issues, from people that you assume don't have enough intellegence to figure it out? knot1knew's comments: "Lots of people have high IQ's, but that doesn't mean they have a drop of common sense." Amen ..... the pro bankruptcy groupies are testament to that!

Doug   |April.24.2008 The total salary cost for the firefighters from the 2007 W2s is 15.3 million. If you zero out the top 15 firefighters (retirees) the new total is 12.1 million. Assume a seventy percent overhead cost for active employees and the savings I get for 15 retiring firefighters is 5.2 million. If the loss of 15 employees drives additional overtime the saving will be reduced. It would be nice to get the inner departmental breakout of costs for the fire service. Does anyone know if these numbers are published on the city website?

Sonic Toad   |April.24.2008 iamknotonfirebug58onator, He/She did not say that an IQ of 120 was high or not. He/She simply said that they had an IQ of 120. Critical thinking does not require a person to be in the mensa category.

iamknotonfirebug58onator   |April.24.2008 This may not be relevant, but when did 120 qualify as a high IQ? The High IQ Society's bottom line is 126, MENSA membership requires 130 (back in the XXth it used to be 140, um...), the International Society for Philosophical Enquiry asks for 146, the Prometheus Society wants 160, and so on.

knot2knew   |April.24.2008 1/2 empty glass "AND these "concessions" are only good for four months. July 2008 these "concessions" revert back to the old levels, raises, minimim staffing, etc." Has anybody bothered to do any projections if these concessions go beyond July 2008? It'd be nice if "Maverick" would let us know what sort of shape the city will be in if these concessions continue. Or is that an unreasonable assumption? Not!

Firebug   |April.24.2008 To our newest posters, the deal with the union is temporary and only good through June 30. The 13,000,000 deficit for next fiscal year applies if we do not "extend" these sanctions that are similar to what Tanner asked for a year ago. The reason more cuts are needed has a lot to do with the assessed values of homes in Vallejo that are reducing the amount of taxes that are coming into the city coffers.

Edinator   |April.24.2008 Here's the link to the SF Chronicle article about binding arbitration: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/24/BAAM10AMRP.DTL&hw=vallejo&sn=001&sc=1000 Marc Garman

knot2knew   |April.24.2008 Doug, It is still confusing. Tanner wasn't worried one bit or anyone else on this board about the 'one time' payouts for the ff's Tanner planned to lay off. How great was the differene? What is the offset between the higher salaries (top step captains, engineers, ff's patrolmen + longevity + whatever) that are no longer on the payroll and pay out? Payout wasn't a big deal when Tanner wanted to lay off. What $ figure was ok for "maverick"? The higher salaries no longer being paid are a 'long term' savings. Payouts are 'short term' and 'one time money'. No big deal???? A big bug up somebodys southend has been longevity pay. Lose that many senior people and you lose longevity pay out. Longevity should be a non issue now. What % of safety personnel qualify now?

Glass Half Empty   |April.24.2008 Uh..knot...Tanner got these "concessions" nine months AFTER he needed them LAST July to solve the deficit at that time, AND these "concessions" are only good for four months. July 2008 these "concessions" revert back to the old levels, raises, minimim staffing, etc. Not having ANY meaningful "concessions" during the first nine months of this year compounded the deficit and by the time the PS unions finally agreed we had deficit in January 2008, the old "concessions" asked for could no longer solve the problem. Four months of "concessions" does not a structural deficit solve.

Doug Sherman   |April.24.2008 knot2knew, I think the deficit may have increased due to the pay out costs for the retiring employees. What I havent seen is a projection of costs on a go forward basis that takes into consideration the lower staffing levels. That would be interesting to look over. Anyone taken a stab at that spreadsheet?

Imsosmart   |April.24.2008 Oh, but who is constantly posting comments referencing what they can't figure out?

Shay58   |April.24.2008 Knot2Knew: With that high IQ you shouldn't have any problems finding another job. Good luck.

knot2knew   |April.24.2008 Worth begets in base minds, envy; in great souls, emulation. Henry Fielding

knot2knew   |April.24.2008 "Lots of people have high IQ's, but that doesn't mean they have a drop of common sense." Amen ..... the pro bankruptcy groupies are testament to that!

knot2knew   |April.24.2008 What I can't figure out is AFTER Tanner got the minimum staffing he wanted and AFTER more employees quit than Tanner planned to let go and AFTER the raise was reduced by 80% why did the deficit continue to increase when the perception Tanner gave (and/or the previous city council) was a single concession would have made the difference. Tanner essentially got all of the items and the city is still plumetting financially southbound? That is what I can't figure out.

Imsosmart   |April.24.2008 And what's wrong with a little visualization? The henkettes have been trying to convince the citizens that they can make a silk purse out of a pigs ear for years. Oink! Oink Henke!

Imsosmart   |April.24.2008 Gee IQ of 120 and can't figure out a structrual deficiate? Can't figure out that this city is about more than safety service employees, and that the citizen's deserve more services? Can't figure out that citizen's aren't charged with determining a person's worth, but are unhappy that some think that they should receive far more than the city can pay? Can't figure out that this very subject Vallejo is tackling is happening all over the State and other ciies are trying to deal with these same issues? Lots of people have high IQ's, but that doesn't mean they have a drop of common sense.

knot2knew   |April.24.2008 The whole thing is very confusing. About a year ago coucilpersons (Pearsall) stated that the whole financial mess could be avoided "if" the unions gave up their scheduled raises. The unions said 'show us the books' and we'll talk. Tanner then moved to binding arbitration saying that 'if you reduce minimum staffing to 6 engines a day' we'll make the budget. Tanner then spends 1m+ on arbitration and loses. Tanner then says they will have to lay off 13 ff (most junior and lowest paid) to make the budget .... they never do. Tanner hires a bankruptcy attorney Since that time the FD union has reduced minimum staffing to what Tanner wanted, PD & FD gave back 80% of their raise AND overall the city has lost 20+ of its highest paid and most experience employees. The cities solutions were always 'either/or', however the unions gave up 'all' that was controversial and Tanner keeps claiming an increasing deficit? Schively and Gomes press for bankruptcy? I have an IQ of 120. I can do critical thinking. Those that oppose the unions are not interested in balancing the budget (that is their red herring) it is about their idea of what a persons 'worth' is. Determing worth should not be left up to or influenced by the nuts that bring pig heads to the podium or Sam or Diana or Marti or et al. Thank you and have a good day.

Shay58   |April.24.2008 "Vallejo initiative proposed to end arbitration" in today's S.F. Chronicle.

On Fire   |April.24.2008 Thanks Nubie for your opinions but I'm curious on some of your "facts". Where did you find evidence that Mr. Tanner "hide" any information from the public and that he was hired to be the "hatchet" man? My take on this was that Tanner heard loud and clear, both from people attending and watching council meetings, letters to the editor, emails sent to the city, and comments made in the newspaper article that the people would not be willing to pay any new tax that would supplement the general fund to pay for city services. I remember someone who had a large banner made to hang in front of his house that clearly stated "Not One Red Cent". I don't however, remember any outcry to say "yes we want to pay more taxes." Given that the total survey was going to cost the city so much more money at a time that the city was struggling to made ends meet, Tanner announced that he would not pursue the completion of the survey and not spend the additional money since it was clear that so many peole were against any new taxes. He said this at a city council meeting. This is why henke knew it existed and subsequently asked for it during a recent closed session, then leaked it to the press to try and make an issue of it. He knows, as do most of the citizens, that the new tax would not fly. Not then and not now. It clearly indicated that it would be a challenge to get the initiative on the ballot and passed. So my memory of what happened is clearly difference from what your are now stating to be the case. Actually it sounds more like a sound bite from the times horrid article? As far as Tanner's mission when he was hred, he wastold to bring the budget in line and the only way that was going to happen was to address the city employee salaries which takes up over 74 percent of the general fund total. So given that, he would have no chaoice but to go to the unions for concessions or make cuts. That doesn't mean union busting unless the unions are not willing to work toward helping in this endeavor. Two groups did so willingly, two didn't. So please, tell us why you came up with your conclusions and share your knowledge on these isssues.

Nubie to this blog   |April.23.2008 I just logged on to this site and I have been watching the council meetings and I have to say that you all seem to be so caught up in your hateful thoughts that you can't think straight. All the City citizens don't think like you just because we don't come to the council meetings. Osby didn't promise to be close minded when he ran for Mayor - after talking to him at my door he appeared to be someone who wanted to look at the facts and then act as he felt necessary and not be locked into the former council's action. Tanner was obviously hired to be a 'hachet man' to the Fire Union - and now we know he hid the survey - which was leaning in a direction those on the council didn't like (and stopped it before it was completed). I am a citizen of Vallejo and I do not want Bankruptcy filed -it will not serve us well - and the issue of negotiating in public is riduculous - how many of you who are gainfully employed would want over 100,000 people giving their opinion on what you should make - that's why we elect people to watch. So those two people who keep voting 'No' are two of those that didn't watch too well and now are the leaders to destroy the city reputation.

Truth Teller   |April.23.2008 Osby has been played and played and played again. Talk about egg on your face?! Schively had it right, the union thugs got what they want (UBL under the rug, bye bye frivolous lawsuits, etc.) and now they are just 'messing with' the city. Do you really think that after Jan., Feb., March and now almost the end of April, they'll come up with a two year deal worth taking? Heck no! Osby, show some strength! Let Tanner do his job, give the taxpayers of Vallejo some resolution. No, it won't be pretty but it will move us that much sooner to solvency. No more of this Death by a Thousand Cuts! And Osby, you know you were caught in an untruth last night. You know that whole line about bankruptcy and development came right from Henke's mouth. I saw the shame on your face when Gomes asked Tanner for the research on that. Shame! You can be better than that. Let the people of Vallejo - the taxpayers - be your guide instead of the Union thugs.

Anonymous   |April.23.2008 I would love to see what the Bay Area TV cameras and San Francisco Chronicle is going to come up with in order to get revenge on being lied to on the April 22nd deadline. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Chronicle use the Matier & Ross pitbulls to finally uncover the truth. And wouldn't it be something for the retiring Dennis Richmond of KTVU Channel 2 to cap his award-winning career by exposing the truth on live television? It's going to be very, very interesting to see how these enterprising tv and print people are going to lay it on the Vallejo "good old boy" network.

WATZ UP WIT DAT?   |April.23.2008 Please everyone, stop attacking the book reports that TH reporters consider as news. You give them to much credit for having a conspiracy, they are much too inexperienced for that, have you ever really read what is printed? The most juvenile of stories, that are lacking in newsworthyness. Very poor spelling, grammer and lack of facts should indicate to all that most of them are writing at a high school level if that. They report just "hear say" and don't ever do in-depth, researched articles. They all lack the skills of professional reporters. I think most of their stories come from where they are "hanging out" at the time, not stories they "seek out." Attempts to make them newsworthy by giving them front page presence shows lack of journalistic experience...

Sam Kurshan   |April.23.2008 And finally, My response to a doubter of he truth: You can call me a lunatic, a fat old white guy, or anything you want, but so help me God, there will be a recall effort if this pans out the way I suspect. The weapon which will make that effort successful will be all the registerd voters who don't vote out of apathy and who will finally feel empowered to make a real change by having the ultimate fate of these disgraces for Council members in their hands. You have truly under estimated this sleeping giant. They don't post here. Some can't even afford a computer. So keep talking smack. You are in for the surprise of your life!

Sam Kurshan   |April.23.2008 Unfortunately though, the other three remaining Council members I mentioned above, are too blindly committed and tied to voting only for the benefit of their benefactors, the public safety unions, while blatantly disregarding the interests of the citizens. That vote would only perpetuate our financial crisis because the city does not have the money to sustain that kind of contract and by adopting it would we would be stuck in the same catch 22 that we are in right now. That being the inevitable bankruptcy which we now must face. The reality is grim. The public safety unions will never make the type of concessions necessary to achieve any other solution. That being the erasure of their present contracts and the rewriting of them with salary and benefit packages that the City can afford without having to beg borrow and steal and as a consequence reduce the quality of life in Vallejo for us ALL. Here is my proposal for a solution. If ANY council member votes for a deal to extend this City's public safety contracts as a way to not have to deal with a real solution, which at this juncture is the inevitable bankruptcy of this city, then I believe they should be recalled and will do everything to gain the support of EVERY citizen of Vallejo in order to achieve that goal. Please join me in your support! Thank you.

Sam Kurshan   |April.23.2008 This is the comment I posted. If it is too large to fit I will post the rest a second time: Good afternoon ALL, FRIENDS AND FOES, I believe that at this point in time, EVERYONE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUE, are completely disgusted and disenchanted by the no action decision announced last night. Let me illustrate what I believe is the obstacle and what I believe should be done to effect a change. When Osby Davis campaigned for Mayor, he stated at the debates that took place, that he would not be controlled by special interests and would represent the interests of the citizens of the City of Vallejo in an in open and transparent government. Unfortunately, anything but that has occurred since he took office. Being the Mayor of a city which has a City Manager type of government, makes its Mayor's power the equivalent of any other Council member, other than his being the symbolic leader of the City. Mayor Davis, acting in that symbolic leadership role is doing what HE believes is best for the City and not necessarily what at this point in time is actually BEST for the City. He seems to be torn between making the hard decision to go along with bankruptcy and not disappointing the people who are his based of support and who elected him. Many of those people are deeply religious as he is, many of those people are Afro American as he is (and I am NOT playing the race card by mentioning it)and they as well as he are extremely proud and should be that he is the first Afro American Mayor of Vallejo. Because of this, I believe Mayor Davis' feels an enormous amount of pressure on him, not to let down and disappoint those people. I believe he is concerned that he will be seen as a failure in their eyes and even more so by him self if he fails to achieve his goals for this city by not sticking to those beliefs. The Mayor needs to realize that sometimes hard decisions are unpopular and that in order to make them, one must put their reputation on the line and do what is best for everyone. In his desire to do what he believes is "the right thing", he is allowing himself to be influenced by the members of the City Council who (and whether you like it or not this is a fact)have been put into office by the enormous amounts of money spent on their campaigns by the public safety unions and/or have been endorsed by them. This gives the Mayor the pseudo image of being part of the status quo but at a dangerous price which I believe is being exacted from him in that he is now being perceived as part of the problem, not part of the solution, as many felt at last night's Council meeting. Even without the Mayor's vote on the Council accompanying theirs, there are four other Council members who vote in unison when it comes to anything pertaining to the benefit of the public safety unions. Bartee, Sunga, Wilson and Hannigan. So, after that illustration here is where we are. The Mayor of this city has a responsibility to lead and set a positive tone for the rest of the Council. He has to do this by sacrificing all of his ego, by not concerning himself with the risk of becoming unpopular and not allowing his personal beliefs to compromise his thinking when it comes to representing and adopting beliefs that are in the best interests of the City. The Council members who have become a voting block for the perpetuation and preservation of the same goals of the public safety unions, refuse to demonstrate any integrity by standing on their own feet instead of allowing their decisions to be influenced and controlled by the public safety unions. Although, finally, last night Mr. Bartee seemed to be torn by either what appeared to be his conscience or the blind truth starring him in the face. Unfortunately though, the other three remaining Council members I mentioned above, are too blindly committed and tied to voting only for the benefit of their benefactors, the public safety unions, while blatantly disregarding the interests of the citizens. That vote would only perpetuate our financial crisis because the city does not have the money to sustain that kind of contract and by adopting it would we would be stuck in the same catch 22 that we are in right now. That being the inevitable bankruptcy which we now must face. The reality is grim. The public safety unions will never make the type of concessions necessary to achieve any other solution. That being the erasure of their present contracts and the rewriting of them with salary and benefit packages that the City can afford without having to beg borrow and steal and as a consequence reduce the quality of life in Vallejo for us ALL. Here is my proposal for a solution. If ANY council member votes for a deal to extend this City's public safety contracts as a way to not have to deal with a real solution, which at this juncture is the inevitable bankruptcy of this city, then I believe they should be recalled and will do everything to gain the support of EVERY citizen of Vallejo in order to achieve that goal. Please join me in your support! Thank you.

Sam Kurshan   |April.23.2008 I just sent this email to Ron Rhea, publisher of the Vallejo Times Herald. I will post separately what I am referring to in the email: Ron. This morning I had several posts removed from your comment board concerning the council meeting last night. At first my comment was too large to fit at once so I made it in two parts. Every time I posted the second part it would replace the first half. This occurred for over an hour. Any post I made to explain that this was not intentional was removed, as was any post I made suspecting that this was being done intentionally. Then what occurred was your board being flooded with duplicate comments of the one I made as if to give the impression that I was intentionally trying to flood the comment board. No matter how many times I tried to post explaining that it was not intentional on my part, those posts were removed. I will not tolerate this any longer and I am putting you on notice that any further manipulation of my first amendment rights will result in immediate litigation against your self and The Times Herald. Win, lose or draw it will serve to prove to all that do not already know, the extent to which you will go to bias, censor, manipulate the content of and delete the opinions of those whose disagree with yours. I have never been more serious than in the warning I am giving you now. Sincerely, Sam Kurshan

Erika H   |April.23.2008 I have to agree with the post from Anonymous: The Bay Area TV cameras must be steaming mad that they were lied to about the April 22nd deadline. The entire city should be ****ed that WE ALL were lied to. I am not surprised by the delay, but don't write checks you know you can't cash just because the news vans and TV cameras show up. I can't trust anything the mayor and council majority say anymore. Not that I really trusted them in the first place, but this seals the deal. I am convinced that this council could care less about what happens to this city or its residents.

Shay58   |April.23.2008 Unfortunately, T-H reporters are working for a Public Relations Firm disguising itself as a newspaper.

Anonymous   |April.23.2008 Pets: they must be pet rats

Anonymous   |April.23.2008 Maybe Sarah refused to put her name to it because of how the Sunday article was turned into an IAFF/Henke mouthpiece. Most likely Sarah writes the stuff somewhat neutrally and then the TH Trash Editors Rhea/Vollmer etc. turn it into IAFF propaganda. I always liked her reporting on the schools; that used to be her beat and I thought she did a good job there.

On Fire   |April.23.2008 I was there John and got quite a chuckle at Alun's comments. I think that the "pets" comments should be made into a sound bite for VIB.

John K   |April.23.2008 OnFirebug58, did you see her last night at the meeting? She was there, so it would likely be her story. But the absence of a SARAH ROHRS byline may indicate shame for the incompetence displayed in opinion survey interpretation when she launched the despicable attack against the City Manager in Sunday morning's times horrid. As for the delay till May 6, we have to appreciate that the union, holding all the chips, can afford to play this game till the last minute, and then offer a conclusive deal that will give them at least as much as they would have gotten under Chapter 9. The looks on some of the faces of City Council last night were the looks of folks who would have appreciated more vaseline. It was like BOHICA... Bend Over, Here It Comes Again. Had you been there, OnFirebug58, you might have appreciated hearing the Sage, Alun Whittaker, say it so well, "Mr. Henke, enjoy your City Council. I'm told they make delightful pets." Thank You, John Kocourek

notmyrealname   |April.23.2008 municipal code 2.02.230 says ANY council member, the mayor, the city manager or the city attorney can place the BK "item" on the agenda and call for a vote. ONE of them needs to step up to the plate before we run out of money. the deadline is one week ahead of time, but that can be decreased at the discretion of the City Manager

Shay58   |April.23.2008 I need to make it clear I am not disparaging any of the T-H reporters. Sarah Rohr, and the other reporters, get their marching orders from the managing editor and publisher who are in the Henken/Riley fan club. I bet morale at the T-H is at an all time low.

Onfirebug58   |April.23.2008 Vallejo Times-Herald The Editor, Dear Sir: I was sorry to see that Sarah Rohrs byline was absent on your front page City Council report today (Wednesday, April 23rd). I do hope that Ms. Rohrs has not given up the City Hall beat, on which she provided so much more accurate and complete reporting than her predecessor, J.M. Brown. If so, then you have our sympathy. Her departure from this important position would only make worse the shortage of journalistic skill and integrity under which your newspaper already labors. Yours sincerely

Shay58   |April.23.2008 Speaking of the media - please note there is no byline on this morning's Times Herald article on last nite's meeting. I guess I would be ashamed too after being scooped so many times by the SF Chron.

Anonymous   |April.23.2008 The Bay Area TV cameras must be steaming mad that they were lied to about the April 22nd deadline. So is the San Francisco Chronicle, I would imagine. I wonder how they are going to exact revenge on City Hall? It's not good to lie to enterprising tv and print reporters.

Firebug   |April.23.2008 I ahve a suspicion that the reason Ozzie and Bartee looked so disappointed was that they failed to get the answers they wanted out of their earlier closed session meeting with the redevelopment agency. I have to laugh every time I hear "negotiating" from Ozzie and the frazzled four when they gave away all their negotiating tools and have vowed openly not to avoid using the "nuclear" (bankruptcy card) at all costs. This isn't negotiating it is capitulation.

On Fire   |April.23.2008 The underlying issue is the fact that henke has not dropped his lawsuit against staff and council members and in fact is moving forward with his bogus charges. ] NEGOTIATING IN GOOD FAITH????? The next time henke/riley utters those words I think we should all stand up and yell, "bull corn riley/henke! Stop lying to the public." Isn't it an interesting turn if events that after the mayor's pet pitt ms. geri spearman's speech about the unions outsmarting the former council members, that her mayor now becomes part of that elite group? The mayor with all his shiney suits gets hoodwinked into thinking the unions "trust" him and that he is the man! Only to wake up this morning and find the emperor has been standing naked at last night's council meeting? A hard lesson to learn huh ozzy? No matter what you think, they (the henkettes) aren't your friends! Welcome to our world osby!

Shay58   |April.23.2008 Sonic Toad: Thanks for the info. Didn't Bartee look uncomfortable (disappointed?) during his remarks? That pointy fence he sits on is starting to be a bit painful, I suspect.

John K   |April.23.2008 Dear Diary: Here it is, April 23. Feeling a sense of post-negotiation-dysfunction depression. But VIB cheers me up by linking to a powerpoint presentation used to help train IAFF Union leaders to influence local politics. Quote (from IAFF PP presentation): The Public Trusts Fire Fighters. Use this to your advantage when soliciting for your PAC. End Quote.

Sonic Toad   |April.23.2008 Shay, I about fell off my recliner when I heard that it was the Unions who decided they didn't want the negotiations or the proposed deals public. Once again we see the tail wagging the dog as the city begs them for help. How pathetic is that?!? PS: You should do the membership thing with a graphic. You can fix typos, add to your post or even delete it yourself. Pretty cool.

Shay58   |April.23.2008 While last night's meeting was a disappointment, it was not a surprise. Does anyone believe the public safety unions have any new proposal, or are going to make any more concessions? I don't. They have given up all they are willing to part with. Last night our mayor, city council and city residents were given the collective finger by Henke/Riley and posse. In the next two weeks, I hope someone will be brave enough to release info from these so-called negotiations and let us know how much we're paying for the unions to screw us.

Anonymous   |April.23.2008 BREAKING NEWS: V.I.B. - VALLEJO IS BANKRUPT (04/22/200 It's now May 6th, not April 22nd..... No labor deal and no long-term plan. Vallejo citizens and the Bay Area TV cameras were lied to when they were told the deadline was April 22nd. What makes you think two more weeks is going to get Vallejo the $13 million to cover for 2008-2009 budget? George Soros or Warren Buffett isn't going to write Vallejo any bailout checks.

Sonic Toad   |April.22.2008 Exactly right Firebug. There seems to be no comprehension of the fact that the union leaders are playing them and have been playing them for years. They've given away every bargaining chip they've had and then some with nothing in return. The union leaders in my opinion are now willing to gamble with a bankruptcy judge rather than take huge paycuts. Any further delays into territory which the lawyers warned us about hurts the city when it comes time to pay the piper. Gomes and Schivley were heroic. Bartee is clearly a bandwagon jumper. Hannigan Update: Words uttered this evening.. "Here". Great job Erin. I only ask that you, the Herminator, and PeeWee justify your positions. I'm willing to listen to you if you all just said something.

Firebug   |April.22.2008 What an absolute shameless Osby Davis and Tom Bartee City Council meeting performance tonight. Davis continues to underwhelm any exectation or promise he made before the election.

Anonymous   |April.22.2008 BREAKING NEWS: VALLEJO CITY COUNCIL CHICKENED OUT!!!!!! It's now May 6th, not April 22nd.....

J.M   |April.22.2008 " Don't worry about the world coming to an end today...It's already tomorrow in Australia" Just offering some comic relief. Don't know what happened to my post below.

J.M   |April.22.2008 Character problem. empty comment

Fr. Lou Bordisso   |April.22.2008 Greetings, I am just now catching up on the blogs. Better late then never! My sense is that Sam has a unique perspective and a lot to offer. I am glad that you decided not to block him. While his tone might be salty at times, he has a lot of helpful insights. I, for one, am thankful to him for his unyielding dedication to our community.

Firebug   |April.22.2008 On fireIIRC a study done that showed what might be gained from the sale of unusable parcels back in June and it amounted to nothing more than 500,000? IN the end selling the water rights might be contested in court so this should make to be a very interesting meeting.

Anonymous   |April.22.2008 http://podcasting.fia.net/5151/2596858.mp3 Vallejo

Anonymous   |April.22.2008 The city of Vallejo is in last minute negotiations tweaking public safety contracts as tonight

Anonymous   |April.22.2008 Vallejo

On Fire   |April.22.2008 So true Firebug. The efforts of the times horrid to put Tanner in a bad light and the continual attacks of certain council members only seem to signal floundering negotiations. The henkettes are again making comments about "found money" that the city was hiding and so where is it? Where was it hiding? What that means is that they are demanding the sale of real estate holdings and water rights to pay the salaries of our safety employees as I see very little change in position levels for other depts. from this last budget ammendment. Next, the paper will advocate the revision of LNG, indian casinos, and super wallymart. They still have not figured out the point about the city having a spending problem and not a revenue problem. Does anybody else notice how haggered our mayor has been looking the last few weeks? Guess he's going through a learning experience with henke 101? Hello! Welcome to our world osby!

Firebug   |April.22.2008 From what I can see Tanner has to be the best thig that ever happened to Vallejo. When Alan Davis, Kurt Henke and Jon Riley want to kick him out of the sand box because he is too tough I have to crack a great big smile

Shay58   |April.22.2008 It's so obvious things aren't going the way the public safety unions expected. That's no doubt why there is this sudden spate of anti-Tanner propaganda in the T-H in recent days. Those two anti-Tanner pieces in Sunday's paper are a prelude to the union-backed, T-H driven "We Want Tanner Fired" storm that will probably erupt full force as negotiations continue to falter.

On Fire   |April.22.2008 They can still make a decision on bankruptcy if they declare an emergancy need exists and has an ammended agenda, since they are in negotiations with the unions as late as this afternoon. The deadline will come and go if they don't and so there would seem to be some sort of plan to keep the city afloat until at least the end of this fiscal year? One other question, who is doing the negotiations since the notice only indicates the unions and staff are meeting? Where did the mediator go or did I miss something?

notmyrealname   |April.22.2008 pay attention folks: there will be no decision tonight because it is not on the agenda. The Brown Act requires that matters be agendized before they can be acted on. We get neither a thumbs up or a thumbs down on bankruptcy tonight. So even though that was council's intention, I wonder how they are going to explain their non-action

Anonymous   |April.22.2008 abc7news.com: Filing for bankruptcy would make it harder for Vallejo to redevelop downtown 4/22/08 http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local&id=6095556 VALLEJO, CA (KGO) -- In Vallejo, city officials are racing against the clock to present a long-term financial plan to the council or face bankruptcy. Last March police and firefighters took a temporary pay cut to keep the city afloat, but on Tuesday the city must make a crucial decision. "Bankruptcy has to be the absolute last option," says Mayor Osby Davis. He believe bankruptcy would definitely make it harder to redevelop downtown Vallejo. "Can early retirement help you guys at all?" asks ABC7's Alan Wang. "Well it can only help us if we have cash. We don't have a whole lot of cash right now," says Mayor Davis.

Curious   |April.22.2008 If someone is so proud to use their name on posts, why would they then use a IP masking program or post using other identities? Just a question?

Anonymous   |April.22.2008 As Vallejo Bankruptcy Looms Other Bay Area Cities May Follow Other Cities Could Follow Vallejo Lead http://video.nbc11.com/player/?id=243071 KNTV (Channel 11) -- Vallejo is not the only city in dire economic straights... Cities and counties across the Bay Area are struggling.

Marc Garman--The Edinator   |April.22.2008 Very well all, I will consider last night's intervention a much needed cooling off. One which I think was appropriate and necessary. Sam can post. Not that I actually can prevent him from posting in this world of shifting names, cloaked IP's and other manipulations. It is not really possible to block someone who is determined anyhow. I am not sure if Sam will post as he now considers me the Devil Incarnate for taking action. Perhaps he will return and contribute the type of intelligent commentary we know he is capable of...but without the destructive and abusive antics. Like Silas said, "equal and opposite re-action" Thank you all for your input.

Carol   |April.22.2008 You guys are all over-reacting. Let him post--I think more damage will be done if you don't. He's just upset. Remember there was a full moon on Sunday.

Diana   |April.22.2008 Sam, you are wrong in thinking I am someone else on this board. I rarely post here and though I love this site, certain posters have made it hard to stomach, more so recently. Yep, I'm not a fan of Sam's diatribes. Should he be banned? I just don't read what he says. Wanted to set the record straight though since he used my name. He's wrong.

On Fire   |April.22.2008 Well I will let it suffice to say that I don't come to VIB expecting to have every comment I make attacked. I had flash backs of being at the times horrid site, dealing with emotional henkettes. While I have no trouble debating the issues, I didn't expect one person to create several personalities as a means to attack someone's comments. It seems like the energy used to try and attack some people here was over the top and in return I felt compelled to respond in kind. But as stated last night, I've taken a pledge not to react, acknowledge or respond to Sam's comments in the future. I think the constant challenge to make people give out their real names or anonymously planting names of unsuspecting individuals as a means of attack is unfair and there has only been one person that continues posting using profanity even after having it addressed. I value this site and the people on it, whether or not you agree with my opinions. But I don't feel it necessary to use profanity and call people names. That's why some many are turned off by the times horrid. It's up to the rest of the posters to decided whether Sam is allowed to return, but I have my reservations.

Firebug   |April.22.2008 Thanks Marc, the most important thing to me is that there aren't any Trolls as they are one of the most destructive forces in on line communities. And Sam I am sorry for calling you a Troll I expected the tough NYC former Cab Driver you mentioned, not the wounded child reaction (which resembled some posters on the TH). I think Sam has a lot to offer we should let him post.

Silas Barnabe   |April.22.2008 Now that I understand his behaviour and personality I say why not let him keep posting? I hope he understands the laws of physics one of which I mentioned, and that he is not a "victim" but a participant in outcomes.

Marc Garman--The Edinator   |April.22.2008 Silas and all others, Last night I deleted several of Sam's complete posts. He has the distinction of being one of the only individuals I have ever taken such action with. I don't like being compelled to do it. He, of course feels I am now a hypocrite with no balls who has trampled his freedom of speech. My concern as editor is to keep this blog productive. People should be able to post ideas and even strong, vocal and differing opinions. But, when one individual degrades the enviroment to a point where there is constant bile and attack and disruption I have to take action. The question now is: Do we let Sam continue to post? Should I consider him a "delete on sight" nuisance or should we consider my action last night just a time out. Please give me your input. If you think I was wrong to intervene, tell me that too. I want this blog to be shaped by the participants. I may have the keys to the car but YOU must tell me where you want to go. Hopefully, we can move past all this and carry on with the exchange of ideas.

Silas Barnabe   |April.22.2008 Marc, Thanks for all your hard work now that you have made certain Sam is indeed the author of the comments below I will continue to participate in our Troll free environment. And Marc I happen to agreee with your opinion of Sam's tone. Sam I apologizw for calling you irrational and Troll. I felt this way because I didn't expect someone that tries to get their point accross using a 2X4 to react so angry and injured.Please know that if you use a 2X4 others are likely to do the same or stronger (like deleting your posts). I will now afjust my reactions to Sam now that I have a more accurate impression. Just remember for those of us that like to get our points accross with a sledgehammer or 2X4 please remember the basic laws of physics: "For every action there is an equal and opposite re-action".

Anonymous   |April.22.2008 Vallejo City Council might want to look at what San Diego City Council just did this morning. They are giving their firefighters pay raises after 4 years of no pay raises. San Diego is concerned that 2,200 out of 3,000 city employees are firefighters and police, who both take up alot of overtime, yet City Council members make less than them. San Diego City Council is approving a 24 percent pay raise for itself, and a 29 percent pay raise for the Mayor to compensate. Council approves San Diego firefighter raises Apr 22, 2008 5:34 AM (48 mins ago) AP http://www.examiner.com/a-1353378~Council_approves_San_Diego_firefighter_raises Panel offers list of 3,000 staffers earning more than council By Matthew T. Hall, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER April 21, 2008 http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20080421-1151-bn21raise

Anonymous   |April.22.2008 Vallejo bankruptcy Update -- KRON Channel 4 News Video http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1315744788/bctid1515865892

Stuart Smalley   |April.21.2008 "You're Good Enough, You're Smart Enough, and Doggone It, People Like You."

J.M   |April.21.2008 Wow! it took me a while to catch up! I can certainly understand Mr. Kurshan for being upset, especially after been so involved & dedicated so much time & effort defending Vallejo from the Unions, Henke,the funded four and gone out of his way to prove his points of view. I have learned so much from VIB the last several months & appreciate Mr. Kurshan, Firebug, Onfire, Alun, Silas, Marc & all who have provided excellent information & an exchange of ideas. I don't believe however one has to post one's real name on this or any other site if he/she does not wish so! It does not make you a coward if you don't. Don't force the issue!!! This site is very valuable & I urge you all to respect each other & continue posting great intelligent discourse. I do not appreciate disrespectfulness, as I have read in the posts below, but you are entitled to your own opinion. Let's all regroup & move forward in a positive form. At the current time, I can only offer support, but no real political substance or answers, as I have been absorbing information & only begun to arm myself. Maybe then...I can take you all one, by one, he,he In person, you know who you are...hell even I know who most of the bloggers here are in person, this only means were on the same team & it's okay to have a difference of opinion. What ever happens on April 22nd, we will continue to move forward. This would be a good time to make this community stronger & improve our weak points, as to not be vulnerable for outside or personal attacks.

Focus on   |April.21.2008 Hey folks -- tomorrow is April 22. Remember that date? Either (1) a long term deal with the unions will have been reached that fixes our structural deficit and fixes our roads, funds our community organizations and builds a reserve; or (2) the council will vote for bankruptcy. That is what was promised when the Funded Four + 1 voted to solve all grievances and lawsuits and absolve Henke/Riley from UBL abuses and theft of our tax dollars. Can we stop the schoolyard fighting and personal attacks and focus on what the council and unions are doing under the cloak of secrecy/closed session??? Let's all take a deep breath and get some $hit done to stop the raping of our city? Because while the personal argument is raging here, the Henkettes are sneaking out the back door with our furure. So I'll be first to pledge: "I acknowledge this isn't about me me and will not make or respond to personal attacks."

Shay58   |April.21.2008 Ghost: That last post was from me and the sentiment is still the same.

Anonymous   |April.21.2008 Ghost: Hmmmm. Took a break from your T-H blogging, eh? Do I detect real concern in your post? If you really are concerned please go back and tell your union buddies to think about Vallejo's future and negotiate fairly. Okay? Oh, and thanks for caring.

Marc Garman--The Edinator   |April.21.2008 No Silas, Sam just confirmed to me personally via telephone that the posts are his. He is also very upset that I deleted his last two posts and feels that I have not been true to my ideals. I leave it to you, my friends to decide what to do. I really do try to support an open dialog but feel that Sam's actions move beyond free speech or the exchange of ideas. They are tantamount to yelling FIRE in a crowded theatre. I have appreciated reading many of Sam's past posts and exchanges, but at this point his behavior has become destructive. Let the people decide.

Silas Barnabe   |April.21.2008 I can try blocking the IP address but I know that an IP anonymizer can change IP address every 30 seconds or so. "We could go to registered users only. I hate to see the blog crash and burn due to the actions of one individual. Let me know if you want to go to registered use only. We have accomplished a lot on this blog. I think it is worth saving." I don't think the problem is an IP randomizer, but more like a "trojan"? If that is the case the postings from irrational "Sams" computer were done by an imposter via a trojan virus.

Ghost   |April.21.2008 Wow, as an outsider who drops in to see what's happening here, even though I don't agree with the stances on this website, may I add something without being told to go to Hades? I have never agreed with Sam Kurshan and have had many posting confrontations with him, but something is truly wrong at this point. Yes, he is a passionate person in what he believes, but I think that he may be getting beyond an impassioned involvement when he is starting to turn on those who agree with him. Politics and stances are one thing to argue about, but this is a human being who might need support and help so nothing worse happens to him than being upset with comments. If anyone personally knows him, they might want to lend that support. 'night all.

Anonymous   |April.21.2008 More Negotiating Scheduled Before Vallejo Bankruptcy Deadline POSTED: 2:25 pm PDT April 21, 2008 UPDATED: 5:52 pm PDT April 21, 2008 http://www.ktvu.com/news/15949639/detail "In March city officials said agreements had to be reached on long-term contracts with the unions and on the city budgets through 2012 by April 22 or the council would proceed with its plan to file bankruptcy. The city faces a $13.2 million deficit in its 2008-2009 budget. The private negotiations are scheduled for 5 p.m. Monday and 4:45 p.m. Tuesday prior to the 7 p.m. City Council meeting."

On Fire   |April.21.2008 To all VIB'ers I offer my sincere apology for my part on feeding the troll. I am troubled by attempts of some to down play and speak disparagingly of the work done by the committee to take binding interest arbitration off the charter and should not have let myself become embroiled in any negative discussion on the subject. Knowing some people will continue to react when you "feed the troll" I should have left well enough alone. I don't want to see anyone leave this site and I make my pledge to "DNFTT", make reference to, talk to, or respond to Sam any further.

Marc Garman--The Edinator   |April.21.2008 I can try blocking the IP address but I know that an IP anonymizer can change IP address every 30 seconds or so. We could go to registered users only. I hate to see the blog crash and burn due to the actions of one individual. Let me know if you want to go to registered use only. We have accomplished a lot on this blog. I think it is worth saving.

Marc Garman--The Edinator   |April.21.2008 IP address matches and is consistent throughout. I'd like to say it isn't so but all evidence indicates that the poster is Sam.

Firebug   |April.21.2008 Thanks Marc this leaves me no choice

Marc Garman--The Edinator   |April.21.2008 Silas, and others, It would appear that the posts under the name Sam Kurshan are written by Sam Kurshan. The phone # is correct too. His cell# so I don't think someone looked it up in the phone book.

Silas Barnabe   |April.21.2008 This is totally unbelievable and unacceptable I am outta here.

Silas Barnabe   |April.21.2008 Marc, Exactly what I asked you! It is obvious that when a screen name does not match an IP address from moments before the last post you have a TROLL or imposter. The only power I have is to not frequent this board any longer because I am being asked to judge a TROLL without the tools you have at you disposal.

Sam Kurshan   |April.21.2008 Silas, I guess I'm an idiot for standing behind my beliefs, being too vocal about them, using my real name and being too radical for you. I play checkers I don't play chess. Don't worry, I'll leave like I said, that way you can continue to play pretend at solving the city's problems. What a bunch of wussies. Look out the giant is coming go run and hide, quickly now!

Firebug   |April.21.2008 Wow! This is like a bad dream. If this is a TROLL aned the edinator is doing nothing to stop this I can't be a part of this any longer. If this is truly the Sam that I have witnessed (in admiration) in the past posting such complete non-sense here and it is being tolerated by those other than myself then good bye.

Marc Garman--The Edinator   |April.21.2008 Trolls can change their IP addresses. They can also log in on under different names. This makes them very difficult to eradicate. IP blocking is not effective. If troll behavior occurs the best remedy is banishment. That is a concerted effort to ignore the troll and not respond to troll antics. They crave attention and tend to shrivel when ignored. If a behavior is destructive the community can use this as a democratic means to achieve the result desired.

Silas Barnabe   |April.21.2008 If that is the case TROLL on I cannot subscribe to a message board that caters to complete idiots. Edinator you had your chance to salvage this, with such an idiot as the poster child of VIB I wish you and their supporters luck.

Sam Kurshan   |April.21.2008 707-704-4643 call me if you don't believe its me.

Firebug   |April.21.2008 Dear Edinator, Could please take some action on this toll business as I will be checking out as well. You can easily verify IP's compared to user names and see which duplicate name and different IP is posting.

SIlas Barnabe   |April.21.2008 I call B.S. Edinator please post IP's or at least make an attempt to help us with the TROLLS. You will be losing legitimate intelligent discourse if you allow this to go on.

Sam Kurshan   |April.21.2008 On Fire, Now you are going to go to work on Alun and twist his words in another dance of denial. He won't insult you like I did. If he gives you the dignity of a response, he'll blow you away intellectually. But that's what you really want, to win the debate or argument no matter who you alienate.

Sam Kurshan   |April.21.2008 I'll bet you wish I left the building. This isn't about opinions, its about a small group of people who put their money behind an effort without considering the bigger picture, without consideration for anything but their agenda and whose egos are too big to permit any objection from those who they don't consider their contemporaries or those they feel don't fit their ivy league mold because they are too radical.

notmyrealname   |April.21.2008 A recall effort would mean that people in certain places would have to take sides, and some of those people have lots to lose: hence discourage those who have nothing to lose. Also, it is not such a great undertaking. One person might be all that's needed to shift the balance. Charter amendment is much less controversial and much less effective, even after a charter amendment, the unions can 'negotiate' to include binding arbitration in their contract.

Whatever is a perfect response   |April.21.2008 "Sam Kurshan has left the building." Apparently not... A response like "whatever" is a good one when the attack is basically a teenage mantra - "You've got your head stuck further up your butt than I ever imagined." How about growing up a bit yourself and stop attacking people who have different opinions. Although you use your real name your behavior is more "troll like" than anyone else on here. Feel free to attack me since I know you'll do it anyway in your own troll like way.

Sam Kurshan   |April.21.2008 Firebug. You are high on bug spray: a recall is many issues with some enemies and friends mixed together. We don't even know who the recallee's are, their successors and their personal agendas.

On Fire   |April.21.2008 Alun, I'm not clear on what you are saying as far as being censured. Are you saying that someone told you to stop writing letters to the editor? Please explain what happened?

Sam Kurshan   |April.21.2008 I predicted earlier that once the level of denial had been reached by those who don't agree with me and once they realized no intellectual argument they offered would be able to prevail, that they would resort to the troll defense. I can assure everyone here, AND I GIVE MARC GARMAN PERMISSION, TO DIVULGE MY IP ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER to anyone who doubts) that I am posting as myself. It is apparent that those who are doing the troll calling are the same people I described earlier, the intellectual, elitist snobs who are convinced that they know all the answers, have all the solutions and are ready to ram them down out throats, buut who are lacking in balls to post under their real names insted of skulking around in their own intellectual shadows. Hear that Diana?

Carol   |April.21.2008 First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Mohandas Gandhi Sam/Alun: Don't go away--we need spice. Their smugness hasn't chased me off yet.

Gabriele   |April.21.2008 Why don't you just pack it up! By now everyone knows the definition. A very disturbing censorship and slapp down has been performed on two individuals that have poured their heart and soul into issues affecting residents of this city. Boy, with friends like you, one does not need...... You know what I mean?

Do Not Feed The Trolls   |April.21.2008 Frequently, someone who has been labelled a troll by a group may seek to redeem their reputation by discrediting their opponents, for example by claiming that other members of the group are closed-minded, conspirators, or trolls themselves.

Do Not Feed The Trolls   |April.21.2008 Experienced participants in online forums know that the most effective way to discourage a troll is usually to ignore him or her, because responding encourages a true troll to continue disruptive posts

Firebug   |April.21.2008 "It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle. Sun Tzu" A charter ammendment is one issue with a common enemy, a recall is many issues with some enemies and friends mixed together. We don't even know who the recallee's are, their successors and their personal agendas.

Historian   |April.21.2008 Oh bother...skip to the end. "But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Historian   |April.21.2008 "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

Historian   |April.21.2008 Please note the last line in the Declaration of Independance. It says it is our "duty to throw off" governments that don't protect our rights and security. I think Abraham Lincoln said "to sin by silence when there is a duty to protest, makes cowards of men". So Sam and Alun sure are not cowards by taking on their "duty" to this community. Thanks guys.. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Do Not Feed The Trolls   |April.21.2008 Do not feed the trolls" and its abbreviation DNFTT redirects here. For the Wikipedia essay, see Wikipedia:What is a troll? An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion. Trolling is a game about identity deception, albeit one that is played without the consent of most of the players. The troll attempts to pass as a legitimate participant, sharing the group's common interests and concerns; the newsgroups members, if they are cognizant of trolls and other identity deceptions, attempt to both distinguish real from trolling postings, and upon judging a poster a troll, make the offending poster leave the group. Their success at the former depends on how well they and the troll understand identity cues; their success at the latter depends on whether the troll's enjoyment is sufficiently diminished or outweighed by the costs imposed by the group.

Sam Kurshan   |April.21.2008 And thank you, as you have proven my point to all who post and read them. 'nuff said Good riddance!

Sam Kurshan   |April.21.2008 You wish it would be as simple as dismissing me with a "what ever Sam". Every time you respond with that crap it only serves to show everyone your true colors. You are an antagonistic, elitist snob. When you are disagreed with aqnd have run out of intelligent responses you raun and hide and cry out what ever or troll! The more you spew your arrogance the more you seal my and others decisions to not be involved with your kind any longer.

Anonymous   |April.21.2008 Whatever Sam

A reader not a Poster   |April.21.2008 Why doesn't ON Fire post under their real name? On Fire throws their weight around on this board and posts here more than anyone else. Someone who is as intentionally vociferous and dominant as them shouldn't be taken seriously if the don't have the guts to use their real name. I think it's time for On Fire to stop hiding and criticizing people like Sam and Alun who not only have the courage to speak their mind without worrying about what people will think of them, but do so using their real names.

On Fire   |April.21.2008 Whatever Sam.

A Reader, not a Poster   |April.21.2008 Sam hit the nail on the head. On Fire, you are out of line with your comments, you are wrong and you need to figure out a way to undo the damage that was done and reunite everyone.

On Fire   |April.21.2008 Whatever Sam.

Sam Kurshan   |April.21.2008 On Fire, Your response says one thing loud and clear, You've got your head stuck further up your butt than I ever imagined.

On Fire   |April.21.2008 Thank you Sam for enlightenment on all the issues I spoke about. Some like to cause chaos, some chose not to be bothered by it.

phoenix   |April.21.2008 The critical issue is not the one of arbitration in the City Charter, it is the one of who negotiates the contracts and represents the best interests of our residents as opposed to the vested interests in our City. If the Councilmembers fail to live up to their responsibilities; as it so appears that a majority of them are guilty of engaging in what at the best is incompetence and at the worst is collusion. Their recall will have a much more profound effect and will resonate more with residents then a charter change that still will not prevent binding arbitration from being negotiated. Although I hsve not agreed with all Sam and Alun's positions, their passion is what is needed. The createst curse of an electorate is indifference. As far as being "too radical"; it is not the so-called moderates who effect change, they merely take credit for it. If the moderates had had their way we would all be flying the uniion jack. The oft quotd phrase " the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" is apt in these circumstances. Every social program in this counrty was first proposed by radicals, such as medicare, social security, minimum wage, ad infinitum. A rather conservative political figure once said " extermism in the defense of liberty is no vice and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" Recall, a radical solution? Here's a quote from a radical document ...that to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,...". Sound familiar?

Sam Kurshan   |April.21.2008 It is your responsibility and obligation to correct that mistake and the damage you have done as a result. I won't hold my breath for that to occur!

Sam Kurshan   |April.21.2008 Your response is absolute bulls...! Here's why: You said: "This is exactly what the henkettes want. To distract and start infighting, divide and conquer." This has nothing to do with the Henkettes. It has to do with exactly what I said. "Just because some don't get to do what they want, doesn't mean that you should now spend your energy in pointing fingers at the people on "our side", and pouting and kicking the sand." Do what WE want? Or do what should really be done? "Pointing fingers at people on our side." Excuse me, those "people" have made it clear that some of us are not welcome to take an active roll in the binding arbitration initiative because we are too "lunatic fringe" or too radical. "pouting and kicking the sand." We are not pouting, we have had it with the ego battles of what are a bunch of elitist snobs whose own personal agendas are influencing the way they are thinking. We aren't pouting basically we have said its not worth wasting our time with these selfish fools. "There are many things that need attention in Vallejo in order to make it a better place. Not everyone is going to lead." Not everyone is going to lead? Who the hell ever made you think this has anything to do with that? Or is it that perhaps you feel the need to "lead"? "Most of us are going to be the worker-bees. We sometimes have to go with the flow, sometimes we have to accept that some will have a better plan." Worker bees, go with the flow, a better plan? You are full of yourself. "But none the less, we still have work to do. Not everyone fits into the plans of others, but that doesn't mean you should then blame them for any choice of inactivity." Bull.... We don't fit in because some of us were asked not to as I stated before. I blame them 100% and I am FAR FROM BEING ALONE in my believing that. Your arrogant and insulting response and the talking down to who you perceive and label as worker bees is a perfect example of what we have had enough of. You don't know any better than us what is best. Your clique of wealthy snobs decided amongst yourselves what is best and have imposed that upon everyone you consider below you, or excuse me, too loonie or radical. Well let me clue you in to this. We loonies and radicals, some being near poverty level, have done more physically and emotionally, have taken more risks have gone the extra mile while you intellectuals sit back and pass judgment upon us for "alienating" people and have accomplished more than you ever did and will. You are too caught up in your concern about how you will be perceived, to ever come close to those accomplishments. That is why I and others have said the hell with you intellectual snobs. You have succeeded in alienating people who were invaluable to you and your cause. It is your fault, not the fault of the Henkettes. And by the way, every one of your comments exudes the arrogance and snobbery that you are in denial about. Proof being, I am the person who was playing devils advocate here a few weeks ago. posting under all those different names, when you decided it had to be "trolls" posting here from the T.H. blogs. You couldn't handle the fact that someone disagreed with you and was willing to go to the mat (just like you do) to argue their point. You got frustrated and called me a troll. Now, i know that you will be compelled to respond to all of this, because that is the type of personality you have. You will not be told off by anyone. if you are your will intellectualize your denial into what you believe is the truth. You can try until the cows come home and you will be wasting your time. You and your "leaders" have truly offended some very valuable for "the cause". It is your responsibility and obligation to correct that mistake and the damage you have done as a result. I won't hold my breath for that to occur!

Gabriele   |April.21.2008 I do not believe the previous posts can be considered infighting, nor do I believe the two individuals who were slapped down are pouting. Everyone knows the numerous issues that we are grappling with can not be resolved in just a few weeks without some very serious hunkering down and dissecting. To purely go after one item at a time is very near sighted. We should not have just one horseshoe in the fire, as a horse can run much better and safer with four. Regarding leadership, well, this issue can be hotly debated. I maintain the best ideas do usually not come from the leaders, they are just very adept at making them their own once they have been proven to be able to fly! So the individuals who wish to be involved to make this city a better place for all of us should not have their hands tied because the issue is not convenient to others with political aspirations.

On Fire   |April.21.2008 This is exactly what the henkettes want. To distract and start infighting, divide and conquer. Just because some don't get to do what they want, doesn't mean that you should now spend your energy in pointing fingers at the people on "our side", and pouting and kicking the sand. There are many things that need attention in Vallejo in order to make it a better place. Not everyone is going to lead. Most of us are going to be the worker-bees. We sometimes have to go with the flow, sometimes we have to accept that some will have a better plan. But none the less, we still have work to do. Not everyone fits into the plans of others, but that doesn't mean you should then blame them for any choice of inactivity. We have a big meeting tomorrow which may very well decide the future of Vallejo. Or not! That doesn't mean that we can sit back and pout because things don't go our way. We still have to keep our eyes on the prize, which is a better Vallejo that we all know is looming in the distance. So we can't bring negative energy into a positive place. (VI The henkettes will be trying to do exactly this and trying to start muddying the waters so we shouldn't be contributing to their efforts. We have much work to do. If you can't collect signatures, you can speak to people about the need for change. If you can't give money, you can write letters to the editor to promote the cause. If you can't do any of these things, then think positively about change and put it into the universe. Viva Vallejo!

Disgusted   |April.21.2008 Isn't it ironic the the very people who were concerned about alienating people from giving their support to the binding arbitration initiative have ended up doing the same thing to two invaluable people like Sam and Alun. Obviously, like Gabrielle stated, there are hidden agendas and ulterior motives, that go far beyond the arbitration issue. These selfish egotistical fools have done more damage than any good they might have achieved and need to focus some major damage repair and control at Sam and Alun.

Joe   |April.21.2008 Hey All, I got this from the Suisun folks who are helping with the recall. This issue is very important to the continuation of Travis as an AFB. The base commander and John Foster have both come out with concerns on windmills and the bases essential training missions. The SCL is suporting Supervisor Kondylis' call for a moratorium on new wind turbines in the Shiloh project due to safety concerns. This matter is being heard tomorrow Aprill 22 at eht Board of Supes chamber. Please find copies of the letter from the Travis about public safety, letter from the wind turbine corporation asking his commander to make them retract the letter, and the letter from his commander doing so. The last attachment is our letter to the Board. Dwight Acey, Spokesperson

Shay58   |April.21.2008 Marc: "It may be a long time before Vallejo sees itself become what it should be." Believe it or not, I think that day has already come. The VIB, and folks like Alun, Sam and the other posters here prove that everyday. Light is being shone on all the dark, dank corners that have long proliferated in Vallejo politics. Lots of people respect your efforts, even though they may never post a comment. The light is on and there is no turning back. Thanks for all of your efforts.

Something to Consider   |April.21.2008 While the movement to take binding interest arbitration off the City Charter is taking shape, that isn't stopping anyone from starting a recall effort. It would seem to be the timeline that would be the concern since the timeline for getting any recall on the ballot for Nov. has come and gone. So to mount a recall now wouldn't qualify for November, and needs to be something to work out. This may be why people felt that it would be better time spent now, to helping get the petitions signed for getting Binding Interest Arbitration off the Charter. It's not just a matter of having people sign petitions to mount a recall, you would also need people who were qualified and ready to run a campaign to take those seats. Having this in place is the most important part of mounting any recall. This still leaves much to do to help Vallejo so people shouldn't just drop out because they can't do what they have a interest in.

Gabriele   |April.21.2008 If this is truly the case, I am deeply disappointed. I always thought him to be a person of integrity. Time will tell!

Anonymous Also   |April.21.2008 Gabrielle. The person you speculated about is Robert McConnell.

Carol   |April.21.2008 "Effective action is always unjust." Maya Angelou Hey fellas: don't give up; hang in there. As long as we are all still alive and breathing, there is hope.

Gabriele   |April.21.2008 With regret I read the position that Alun and Sam were forced to adopt. I have followed the efforts of both with interest and sometimes with disappointment about the choice of words used. However, I am deeply concerned that both individuals were obviously pressured to abandon the efforts that they truly felt passionate about. Whomever has their eye on public office and is concerned/afraid how this digging for the truth may or may not affect their chances of a political career if these two gentleman would pursue their quest, is throwing up a screen. Even the suggestion to toe the Party line and not what is and will be best for the City of Vallejo and its residents is of grave concern, no matter what Party affiliation one has. My hope is that decency will prevail, but corruption and profiteering have a very strong hold on the City of Vallejo and it seems both have infiltrated the Party line! This indeed is a sad day for all of us. Thank you both for your involvement!

Firebug   |April.21.2008 Anony- Thanks for the headsup on the article in the chonicle lots of posts over there. Looks like the 1186'ers and bootlickers have reacted to that article like angry bees deprived of their honey. I also believe that there are many issues that need to be fixed in Vallejo. Remember when Bartee and Sunga called hid behind binding arbitration and called it a "crap shoot" or "gambling"? Removing it would force them to take responsibility for the city's financial decisions and face the voters in an election or a recall based on this. Binding arbitration has been an easy out for our Mayor and majority Council let's all come together and fight that battle first!

John K   |April.21.2008 "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately." -- Ben Franklin, at the signing of the Declaration of Independence

Marc Garman--The Editinator   |April.21.2008 TENACITY--mean mental or moral strength to resist opposition, danger, or hardship. Implies firmness of mind and will in the face of danger or extreme difficulty . It can be discouraging. Vallejo is in bad shape with not much light at the end of the tunnel right now. Sam, Alun, you both have shown great energy and concern for Vallejo. Without people who really care, Vallejo is sunk. I can't say if recall is or isn't the right thing to do at this time. The bottom line is that there are a lot of things that need doing. It may be a long time before Vallejo sees itself become what it should be. I for one intend to stick with it. VIB is here to stay. Expect to see VIB grow, improve and expand. Whatever happens, the citizens of Vallejo who care must refuse to yield. Hope you'll both stick around. Tenacity is our only choice.

Vallejo Needs Help   |April.21.2008 Sam, if you want to work on a recall go ahead and do it. Nobody is stopping you but yourself. Alun, tell us who you talked to Sunday night, because I urge you to keep at it. The TH, the glossy brochures are all a desperate attempt to keep the good old boy ship upright. It could take a long time to turn Vallejo around, but it's worth fighting for it.

WATZ UP WIT DAT?   |April.21.2008 Its interesting that you have to read another city's newspaper when you want to find out what is going on in your own city (SF Chron today regarding bankruptcy.) It's also interesting that the safety unions never address how much they earn a year, they try to divert our attention by talking about how they are forced into overtime, how it is such a burden and there have been divorces over it. Give me a break! We have relatives that work for the Santa Rosa Fire Department. We know that fire fighters fight over who is going to get the overtime, and it always goes to the most senior staff (who will be paid more due to their higher salaries.) As far as divorce, ha! People working in all careers get divorces (what is it now 50%?) If they are blaming being 4 days away from home, um... Why do they have to work 4 24's? Its really not necessary to have someone work 4 24's. The police dont "camp-out" at work and sleep overnight at the police station, they are safety and law enforement as well! Of course the greater percentage of the Fire Department dont live in Vallejo, maybe they are worried about getting from Santa Rosa, Marin, Napa, Vacaville and other cites to Vallejo for work on time... WATZ UP WIT DAT???????????????????

Anonymous   |April.21.2008 Bankruptcy looking more likely for Vallejo Carolyn Jones, Chronicle Staff Writer Monday, April 21, 2008 http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/20/BADG108NOD.DTL "We had hoped to have an agreement by April 22 to give to the council," said Mayor Osby Davis, who has sat in on the negotiations. "But I'm optimistic. There's always room for a resolution if people are willing to give and take."

Alun Whittaker   |April.21.2008 -------------------------------- But I didn't send that letter because Sunday evening I was given a stern lesson in 21st Century American politics. It was explained to me that I was a naive trouble maker to believe that this was a fight for truth against corruption and profiteering. The only thing that matters, I was told, are how much money you want to spend, and deciding how to get a cost effective return on that investment. Anything else just complicates the issue and gets in the way of an effective campaign. Forget about the truth, there ain't no justice, the American way is to send a check, shut up, and follow the party line. If that's really what it's all about then I do feel rather silly getting incensed about irrelevant things like justice and decency. In fact, if it's just about who spends the most money and gets the best return, then I would have to say that Henke, Riley, Callahan, State Farm, Bechtel and the rest deserve to win this fight and it's just too bad for the rest of us. And so I didn't send that letter and I don't expect to be sending any more. Thanks for putting up with me.

Alun Whittaker   |April.21.2008 So here's the letter I didn't send: Vallejo Times-Herald, The Editor, Dear Sir: Today (Sunday, April 20th, 200 marks a very special date. For today, the Vallejo Times Herald abandoned the slightest pretense of being a newspaper, and openly showed itself to be the fully subscribed propaganda organ of the group actively attempting to undermine democratic government in Vallejo and supplant it with the kleptocratic rule of a good-old-boy network of business interests and union bosses. In a front page story and an editorial, the Times Herald publishers launched an attack on the small number of city council members and employees still holding out against the widespread corruption that has placed our city government and public safety services in serious danger. They did this by accusing our City Manager of suppressing information indicating that the public had expressed approval for public safety workers' high salaries and benefits, and willingness to pay increased taxes to maintain them. How did they obtain the information that justified a front page headline and an editorial demanding City Manager Joe Tanner's head? It seems that the information was found in a first draft of a analysis, based upon incomplete data, from a less than one-third completed study supplied to them by Kurt Henke, President of the IAFF firefighters union. Henke, it was noted in the editorial, had previously been the cause for the Times-Herald to print a correction to a negative report about Mr. Tanner, when it was found that Henke had lied to City Council and the public. Nevertheless, in this case, the Times-Herald chose to publish the information and analysis supplied by Henke, unquestioned and annotated only with comments from city fire and police union supporters. These included city council members who's election campaigns had been massively underwritten by the city unions, and by business groups that have in the past or expect in the future to benefit from overly generous city contract terms and considerations. What can the Vallejo public do to fight back? First, I urge you to go to http://www.solanocourts.com/grandjury/GrandJuryComplaints.asp and complete a form asking the Solano County Grand Jury to re-open the investigation of Vallejo Fire Department mismanagement and fraud involving misuse of Union Business Leave (UBL) by Henke among others. To this investigation should be added consideration of the the vote by new council members, elected with union funds, to take no action on the UBL fraud, and to overturn the city's nepotism and performance evaluation policies, both of which had been seriously abused and misused in the fire and police departments and their unions. Along with this, I urge everyone to support the campaign for a recall election on those members of City Council who took large amounts of money from unions knowing that an early and most important business item for the council would be the budget disaster brought on by the insupportable salaries and retirement packages of those union's workers. Since that time, the council majority has not simply passively voted to support those unjust benefits, but has actively worked in collusion with the unions to undermine the City Manager's efforts to keep our city financially afloat. Finally, I urge everyone to support a boycott of all businesses actively supporting this usurpation of democratic local government, and particularly those that advertise in the group's propaganda organ: the Vallejo Times-Herald. These businesses rely on the lax control and easy manipulation that can gained from a city that is unable to keep qualified staff on off, in any capacity other than public safety. What's good for them is bad for the public. Tell them we won't stand for it! Yours sincerely, Alun Whittaker -------------------------------- But I didn't send that letter because Sunday evening I was given a stern lesson in 21st Century American politics. It was explained to me that I was a naive trouble maker to believe that this was a fight for truth against corruption and profiteering. The only thing that matters, I was told, are how much money you want to spend, and deciding how to get a cost effective return on that investment. Anything else just complicates the issue and gets in the way of an effective campaign. Forget about the truth, there ain't no justice, the American way is to send a check, shut up, and follow the party line. If that's really what it's all about then I do feel rather silly getting incensed about irrelevant things like justice and decency. In fact, if it's just about who spends the most money and gets the best return, then I would have to say that Henke, Riley, Callahan, State Farm, Bechtel and the rest deserve to win this fight and it's just too bad for the rest of us. And so I didn't send that letter and I don't expect to be sending any more. Thanks for putting up with me 'til now.

Sam Kurshan   |April.20.2008 whose goals are the same as mine. I will not get into a battle of the egos. This is the deciding factor in my backing away from any further politically active in this this cesspool of a city. I will no longer waste my time tying to convince people when it is time to roar and throw stones at the giant, instead of whispering and stabbing him with tooth picks, while they pat each other on the back for their intellectual but otherwise empty accomplishments. What? I can't hear you! Sam Kurshan has left the building.

Sam Kurshan   |April.20.2008 RECALL UPDATE 3 = NO RECALL This evening I received a call from two of the major players in the binding arbitration initiative petition effort. They were adamant and cut right to the chase in their asking me and the other parties involved in any possible recall effort, not to go ahead with it. They felt (although I disagreed) that a recall effort simultaneous to their effort would potentially undermine the binding arbitration effort. I was told that my time would be better spent to get binding arbitration removed from the City Charter and that if I wanted to get people replaced on the City Council, I should do so by supporting candidates in the next City Council election who represent my political beliefs. I was mislead by them into believing that the next Council election was this coming November when in fact it is not until November 2009. Even after I repeatedly challenged them on being wrong about this, they insisted that they were correct. (THEY WERE WRONG.) Because of this and after consulting with some of the other people who were going to be involved in the recall effort, I have decided not to proceed with it. Not because I do not want to, but because I was told we do not have the kind of support we need, as a result of the people we need support from, are giving their support to the binding arbitration effort instead, as well as their time and money. I signed the binding arbitration petition and I sincerely hope it succeeds, but I honestly believe it will not for the following reason. The people who need to be convinced to sign the petition and then vote to remove binding arbitration are not going to be willing to do so for many reasons, starting with their lack of intelligence due to their refusal to become enlightened, ending with their blind allegiance to the Kurt Henke mentality and way of running this city. I believe the recall effort is more emotionally based than the intellectual basis for the binding arbitration effort and therefore has a broader appeal to more of the registered voters of Vallejo. Especially the ones who don't usually vote as a result of their absolute disgust and disenchantment with the process and the results. I believe those people could have been the deciding factor to make the recall effort successful, because it would have given them the feeling of empowerment and hope, causing them to come out and finally vote, which due to the absence of those feelings are the reasons they do not vote. Almost like what is occurring in the Obama campaign. Some people who have been very active in trying to effect positive change in Vallejo, but who are perceived as being too radical in the opinion of the more moderate people who share the same goals, have been asked to not be involved in the binding arbitration effort out of fear by the moderates that they may alienate and scare away support. I believe this is a mistake and without betraying the trust of those people who have been uninvited, by divulging their names, I can safely and accurately say, that some of those people were major players in past efforts that were successful in affecting positive change for Vallejo, as a result of their participation. I believe this has more to do with egos than personalities and again I must state it is a fatal error not to have those people involved. Everyone knows my level of contempt and disgust for the antics of Kurt Henke, his Council hand puppets and the damage they have done to this city, its reputation, public image and financial status. I have always been verbally expressive about those feelings, whether orally at a Council meeting or in writing here or on the T.H. blogs. My fight is with them and all of my energy has been behind it. Unfortunately, in light of what I just described, I feel like I am fighting the very people whose goal is to achieve the same results as me, instead of directing the fight at Henke and his regime. I can not and will not get into a battle of the egos, while trying to achieve the same goals. This is the last straw in what has been a long and difficult decision to step back and say that this cesspool of a city will never change and I am wasting my time trying to change it. We are too busy battling each other to ever accomplish that objective. As of today I will no longer be involved in any organized effort to recall anyone and will no longer be actively involved in Vallejo politics. For all I care this city can rot! It's just a waste of time by a lot of people with over inflated egos, hiding behind anonymous screen names who are compelled to whisper and are afraid to roar when necessary. What? I can't hear you! Sam Kurshan has left the building.

Earth Needs Help   |April.20.2008 Why call "Vallejo Needs Help" a "troll"? His/her question is reasonable... When Vallejo's au courant political machinations fall to the wayside, when it comes to what really threatens our county, we need Kondylis on the board as our voice to protect open space and farmland.

On Fire   |April.20.2008 Good try Vallejo Needs Help. like you cared anything about Cloutier or Kondylis. Go away troll.

The Earth Needs Help   |April.20.2008 Long after Vallejo's bankruptcy is forgotten, we and our decendents will still be living on planet earth, that is if it's livable. Maybe Kondylis is focusing on that and not letting the Vallejo squabbling get in her way? Because it seems the squabbling has been going on here for years and either nothing changes or things get worse.

Vallejo Needs Help!   |April.20.2008 Barbara, Who Cares?!? As my representative I would hope you would be more interested in the bankruptcy of Vallejo and what we can do to improve our city government. First you choose not to support Gary Cloutier in his campaign, and now you're out chasing rainbows. Why should I vote for you?

Sam Kurshan   |April.20.2008 RECALL UPDATE 2 Since posting the recall update I have spoken to those I originally met with and we have decided to fill out speakers cards at Tuesday's council meeting announcing our intention to commence a recall effort. I ask everyone who feels that this is something that should be pursued, to please come to Tuesday's Council Meeting, fill out a speakers card and join us in announcing this effort en masse. PLEASE HELP SPREAD THE WORD AND ASK EVERYONE YOU CAN TO PLEASE COME AND SHOW THEIR SUPPORT BY FILLING OUT A SPEAKERS CARD TOO! Thank you for your support!

Horrid   |April.20.2008 Oh Jack and company at the Times-Horrid editorial board, you try so hard to make it look like your golfing buddies are heroes constantly under unwarranted attack by those mean, nasty councilmembers and the public. Poor IAFF and VPOA. Not. So nicely subtle. Hannigan and Bartee are just "Concilwoman Erin Hannigan" and Bartee is listed as "Councilman Tom Bartee," without a nasty descriptor before their names like Schively and Gomes get (see below). Equal journalistic treatment would give them descriptors for Hannigan and Bartee too. How about: "Union mouthpiece Erin Hannigan" or "Tom Bartee, bought and sold by the public safety unions." But at the end of their comments, the Times-Horrid does say that the funded two are "viewed by public safety critics as allies of the unions." How nice. The Times-Horrid says, "Union Critic Councilwoman Stephanie Gomes..." and "Councilwoman Joanne Schivley, a public safety union critic like Gomes..." instead of, "Stephanie Gomes and Joanne Schively, who have been vocal critics of the public safety union contracts..." Sounds so much more divisive the way the Times-Horrid states it, huh? I know, expecting journalistic integrity from this rag is crazy. Why do we keep hoping? (At least I read it online and didn't pay a dime for it!) The editorial says the former Council hired Tanner to go after the unions. (Good value judgement Jack). No, they hired Tanner to fix our problems, and 78.5% of those problems are with the union contracts. They hired him in part to fix the contracts. The Times-Horrid likes to make it so personal, don't they? So this concil majorty favors a more conciliatory approach to the unions (gee, think its becase the majority is funded by the unions?). The definition of conciliatory is to overcome distrust and appease. Let's see on April 22 how this "new approach" has worked. And hey, according to this editorial, for anybody who wants to get a front page, huge bold headline, apparently all you need to do is go to City Council, wait to speak just before press time, and make an otlandish accusation about somebody. They won't bother to wait to get the other side of the accusation, they'll just run it and wait until later (and the damage is done) to print a story that shows both sides. Try it. Henke did and it worked!

Open Dialogue   |April.20.2008 "Whatever suppport there may have been for a public safety tax has been eroded by recent attacks on police and fire department salaries," Hannigan said. The only time Erin "My Daddy's Name Got Me Elected" Hanigan speaks, it is in support of her buddies at the 1186. Tell us, Erin, please, why a public discussion of employee salaries is considered an attack? You don't believe in open public dialoge? What "attacks" on the salaries aren't based on reality ? Please tell us flat out in public that you support keeping these salaries and benefit packages as they are because they are right on. And finally, Erin, tell us how you are going to vote to increase every fee you possibly can and support every tax increase measure your 1186 buddies put out there. Tell us, please. And for once, please tell us in your words, not Jon Riley's or Curt Henke's. Can you articulate that by yourself Erin?

Sam Kurshan   |April.20.2008 I have also posted the following on the T.H. blog concerning their article and commentary concerning Joe Tanner: A recall effort was discussed by a concerned group of citizens last month. In light of the effort to remove binding arbitration from the City Charter, it was thought that it may be too confusing to the public and therefore too difficult to achieve success on both fronts. So it was decided to wait on the recall and go ahead with the ballot initiative effort to remove binding arbitration. I have always felt that was a big mistake. After thinking about it for the past few weeks and in light of the unveiling of the strategy to make Joe tanner a scape goat in this morning's T.H. I have decided to meet again and reopen the recall effort. I have also posted this on the T.H. blog. This was the absolute last straw. We have to unite like never before, rid the City of the vermin responsible for its dilemma and elect in their place those whose sole agenda is to promote and preserve the welfare of the citizens and not that of special interest groups whose sole mission is to promote their agenda of personal greed and corruption. I will keep you informed of developments as soon as they occur. Thank you. Sincerely, Sam Kurshan

Drip, drip, drop   |April.20.2008 That would be the sound of leaking coming from Mr. Henke...again. The Times Horrid fails to connect two very big dots here. The fact is that Henke asked for and was given this poll in the CONFIDENTIAL mediation process -- thats pretty damn direct. Then he gives it to the Fab Five and the Times Horrid. Um...Henke and Riley, what happend to that "trust" you talked about at City Concil? Leaking information is not an indication of good faith bargaining. This means that the whole mediation process has been, shockingly, a sham. They never had any intention of bargaining in good faith, being honest or trustworthy and getting a "deal" that solved our long-term problems. What a joke. How much money have the Henkettes spent on this farce? Others have said it, so I won't repeat it -- picking and choosing details from unfinished poll data is and repeating it as solid facts is stupid at best. I don't need a poll to tell me what I already know -- I woldn't pay more taxes last year and I certainly wouldn't pay more taxes this year for fat public safety salaries and benefits. Until city management gets these salaries and benefits to a more reasonable level for a city like Vallejo, NOT ONE RED CENT!!!

Sam Kurshan   |April.20.2008 >>>>>>>> RECALL UPDATE

Sam Kurshan   |April.20.2008 >>>>>>>>>>RECALL UPDATE

On Fire   |April.20.2008 Once again, this paper has the nerve to try to dicate to the people of Vallejo how they are supposed to feel or act on issues affecting us. Ted Vollmer, Ron Rhea, where do you live? Will you be paying more taxes for city services? How many people who are considered the Editorial Board actually live in Vallejo? Do you really think you have your finger on the pulse of Vallejo? Do you see any of them interacting with the citizens of Vallejo? I'm not referring to the good old boys that they play golf with, I'm talking about the everyday person that has to make decisions on whether to pay for medical treatment, or putting gas in their cars to get to work. Please, T-H, stop trying to dumb down the citizens! We know your motiviation here. If the people were really open to paying more taxes as you try to suggest this piece of information your presenting says, don't you think that the fire dept and police dept., and the henkettes would have jumped on it long ago? Do you really think that if they thought the people of Vallejo would have been willing to contribute to further their lavish life styles that henke would not have been pushing the tax inititaive last year? This is all just another piece in the ongoing smoke and mirrors ploy to get the public to cry for Tanner's firing. Yes then the golden child Craig would move into that position and rubber stamp everything that the henkettes want. Please T-H you think that people don't remember the front page article that interviewed a Vallejo resident that cried "not one red cent!" and how that story also agreed that the people of Vallejo would not support additional taxes to pay for services? Tell henke to spend as much time trying to be truthful and respectful to the citizens that pay his lavish salary and maybe that will be more productive than trying to convince us that we want to pay more money so he can continue to socialize and UBL'ing on our dime! NOT ONE RED CENT! NOT THEN AND CERTAINLY NOT NOW!

Barbara Kondylis   |April.20.2008 In a recent op-ed piece Bud Stevenson stated. "I want to do Supervisor Barbara Kondylis a favor. Her's was the only vote in favor of showing Al Gore's propaganda film, 'An Inconvenient Truth' to county health and social service workers. Supervisor Kondylis was in favor of a declaration that said 'Climate Change: Our Health in the Balance.' After Supervisor Jim Spering pointed out that Al Gore's epic movie came from one side of the political spectrum, and supervisors Mike Reagan and John Silva joined him in voting to keep global warming out of the resolution, Kondylis said, according to the Daily Republic story, that she 'hopes the media takes note that three members of the board don't believe climate change will affect public health.' Well, here I am, a humble columnist in the media, and I'm taking note of the discussion and the vote. And I'm thrilled that Spering, Reagan and Silva stood up to Kondylis. It's rare that political representatives anywhere in this country will go up against the globaloney goo-goos, so the three supervisors deserve great credit." First of all, the vote was not on whether to show the film, but whether to adopt a resolution declaring National Public Health Week and the national theme this year which is "Climate Change: Our Health in the Balance". The Public Health Department (which did not come up with the theme) was castigated by Spering for showing the film to employees and offered a substitute motion which took out the theme and the connection between public health and climate change. I am not sure if the Board of Supervisor's has the power to censor activities of the Public Health Department, though they do have the power to change resolutions to eliminate views that they don't agree with. No reputable research scientist that I know of disputes the fact that the climate is changing and that it is getting warmer. There are a very small number of reputable research scientists who dispute the causes of global warming, however, even they concede that the earth's temperature is heating up. This is important to recognize since the impacts of warming will effect everything from sea level rise to changes in agricultural practices to the migration of disease carriers such as mosquitoes, as some examples. And ALL of these things will effect human health and, in fact already is in places around the globe. For example, sanitation is hard to maintain in villages that are sinking into the melting perma-frost in Alaska, African mosquitoes have invaded southern Italy and are making people sick, and some pacific islands are experiencing salt water intrusion into their crop lands leaving them no way to feed themselves. Starvation and health do not compliment each other. And Mr. Stevenson failed to respond to Spering's comment that if we hadn't banned DDT then we wouldn't have to worry about the mosquitoes! Second, and the last sentence feeds into this, Mr. Stevenson's article goes on to talk about the folly of growing corn for ethanol and it might surprise him to know that I totally agree with him. Ethanol should only be produced using waste products. Growing corn for fuel is not only inefficient, it is partially responsible for the escalating food prices we are all experiencing, and the global food shortage over which people are rioting in such countries as India, Malaysia, Egypt, and Italy. Anyone interested in seeing the brief debate on this issue can go to the county web site (http://solano.granicus.com/ViewPublisher.php?view_id=2), click on Board Agendas, Minutes and Video, to view the agenda's and minutes, and view the video for the meeting of April 8 and "jump" to agenda item number 3. Regards, Barbara Kondylis Solano County Supervisor, District 1

RdP   |April.20.2008 WE'VE GOT TO GET STARTED ON THE RECALL OF THE 'FAB FOUR'...WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THAT FRONT? This will be the only way those councilpersons will understand, that we the citizens of Vallejo want our City back from the fire union!

Anonymous   |April.20.2008 There really needs to be a SECOND newspaper in Vallejo. How about the Vallejo Independent Bulletin daily and Sunday newspaper? What a formidable media presense it wold be... VIB website, VIB TV and VIB newspaper... the triple threat that the Times-Herals would fear so much.

Robert Schussel   |April.20.2008 I am a Market Researcher by profession and wanted to provide a few brief comments about the TH article and editorial regarding the survey that was conducted last year. After I study the results more I may provide additional comments. 1) The TH article left out that the Pollesters comment was that it would be challenging to raise taxes. 2) The environment last year was very different. Knowing that the Public Safety Unions are gouging people will make a difference in the results. 3)The survey questions shown did not ask how much more people were willing to spend.It is very easy for people to say yes when amounts aren't given. I would like a Rolls Royce.Would I be willing to spend 250,000-- NO. 4) It should be noted that only a) half of the respondents would agree to vote for a tax increase. b)33% felt the cty needed more money for Public safety c) less likely voters were more positive about the measures d) 70% said maintaining fire and police services should be a top proiority even if it means raising taxes. Yet renewing the current utility tax will prove "challenging". Because the Poll is dated,more likely voters are less positive and specfic Dollar amounts were not included ,I don't think anyone should use this survey as proof that Vallejo voters will go for tax increases.While people can seize on certain questions the results suggested that when asked about paying more taxes the respondents were not positive. My opinion is that a yes vote for taxes is less likely today due to the revelations of the last few months.

Abalonius Monkfish   |April.20.2008 Well based on what I just read on the TH Joe Tanner is being setup to be fired. A story and an editorial all about a survey that at best could be considered having mixed results. The new tax that the TH tells us would be supported by voters is simply making an extension we're already paying for permanent. This is not a new tax. The survey results stating that residents are generally pleased with Police and Fire is actually encouraging. I too think they do a great job. I just think they make too much money doing it. Here is my post form the TH. "We all know how much of an effort Sarah Rohrs makes to contact the "other side of the story". One quick phone call after days of preparing the other side and it's finished with no response from the opposing view. Don't blame Tanner for an unprepared and unprofessional reporter. Also your skimming over the survey and coming up with fake headlines is really a sad story. Voters said they would continue a temporary extension. So they are already paying for this tax. It's not a new tax!! So get your own facts together and give us quality reporting. So in closing we're seeing the TH, the Unions, and the council majority are setting up Tanner to be fired. Tanner is the most professional and skilled city manager we've had in years. Don't push off your own inadequacies onto a city manager who had nothing to do with the poor management of David Martinez or any of the council majorities in the past which incidently do not include Cloutier, Gomes, Pearsall or Schivley. We need consistency right now and rotating City Managers will continue to bury the residents in doubt regarding the skills of the city council majority."

Judy Irvin   |April.20.2008 Overpaid... Wrong again. If the City had just done what the Memorandum of Agreement called for, this whole thing would have been over about 6 or 7 years ago and Lennar would have no excuses. The Agreement just called for "Project Guidelines" to be completed by the Vallejo Architectural Heritage Commission within 1 year of the signing of the MOA in collaboration with the National Park Service and the State Office of Historic Preservation. This is not hard and any realistic historic preservation professional knows that everything can't be saved. But Project Guidelines were turned over to Lennar's consultant and all the folks that could have helped answer the real question "what's important" never were included except during the negotiations to avoid a lawsuit. By the way, Anne Meridith, the City's former Planning Director, caused quite a stir when she was walking around the California Preservation Foundation's annual conference some years back asking if anybody knew of a consultant skilled "in circumventing CEQA". Don't blame historic preservationists for this mess. It is a common problem. The City, their developer friends and paid hacks are working against the best interests of the community and then whine when their hands get slapped. My experience includes overseeing rehabilitation of the Haslett Warehouse on the SF Waterfront for a 252 room Kimpton Hotel and conference center. It was a tax credit project, which means compliance was negotiated by the real pros in Washington, D.C. And yes, cutting really big holes in the historic interior brick walls caused some local preservationists to turn blue. But Rehabilitation allows for pretty massive changes in order to make possible a conversion to a higher and better new use that will provide the income to support saving an important property. Touro is doing a great job with this. But continuing to zone the late 1800's brick warehouses "Industrial" rather than "Mixed Use/Live work" is a death sentence and the City knows that. Oh by the way, the new Argonaut Hotel sits on the site of a former lead smelter demolished by the 1906 quake. It does not get more toxic than that. And the multi-million dollar rental and TOT income NPS gets pays for upkeep on their historic ships on the Hyde Street Pier. The City of Vallejo keeps viewing historic preservation as an impediment rather than one of the best economic stimuli around. Imagine the synergistic effect...hotel, conference center, visitor center, historic ships,ferry transportation advantage, easy access to the Napa Valley and SF including potential rail and you wonder why all those high priced folks holding down desks in City Hall can't.

Marc Garman--The Editinator   |April.20.2008 Here's another interesting article about firefighter salaries in San Jose...sounds very familiar. http://www.mercurynews.com/valley/ci_8929197

MISSMARVELOUS   |April.20.2008 I also would like to mention the excuse that Vallejo has crime, poor people and not enough college educated people which exlude our city from book stores and Trader-Joe type stores. Give me a break! I grew up in the City of Oakland, which has huge social issues and a high crime rate, they have every high-end retail and grocery store, coffee house and resturant you ever heard of. Stop thinking of the reasons we dont have the shops that we want (they're all bogus reasons anyway) and start blaming our local "handlers" for not doing enough to get the tax-paying citizens what they want!!! Stop sending all the business "up County" and away from Vallejo!!!

MISSMARVELOUS   |April.20.2008 "Little Old Lady" is right about the sprawl on agriculture lands. Our County representatives have kept all the new home developments, large shopping areas and resturants in Eastern Solano County, ie the Fairfield and Vacaville areas. Its no accident that traffic is so bad heading West from these Solano County Cities. If you believed in conspiracy theories, you would think that Vallejo is purposely being ignored and kept in a blighted state, so that everything will continue on Hwy 80 East bound. Ask yourself: Why does Hwy 80 look so terrible in Vallejo? Why does Hwy 29/Sonoma Blvd look so run down in Vallejo, why does CAl Trans not maintain it? Why does Vallejo, a population of 116,000 not have a book store or a Trader Joes? Why is it so difficult for new businesses to get through the Vallejo City permiting department? Why does the City of VAllejo have to bear the weight of a disporportionate percentage of Voucher/Section 8 housing? Its not a "co-inky-dink" folks, its how people and businesses are discouraged from living and operating in Vallejo. Fortunately, due to the budget issues, blinders are off the citizens of Vallejo, the "sleeping giant" has awakend. Its all our jobs to make sure things change, one small step at a time, we need a local politician to run for County Supervisor, to represent the largest city in Solano County. Its the only way we will be empowered. We need someone who lives in Vallejo, and is interested in the future of Vallejo (Not Benicia, Not Green Valley, Not Vacaville, as they are interested in preserving their own cities at Vallejo's expense.) Can anyone on VIB suggest someone to fill the boots of County Supervisor?

Sam Kurshan   |April.19.2008 If you have trouble with the link go the main page: http://benicianews.blogspot.com/ and in the column on the right, click on "Special Interest Politics".

Sam Kurshan   |April.19.2008 That was from me.

Anonymous   |April.19.2008 Here's another link to a great article about special interest politics: "Martinez: A Cautionary Tale of Urban Development and Campaign Finance" http://benicianews.blogspot.com/search/label/special%20interest%20politics Here is a quote from that article that summarizes its theme: "The hijacking of a town begins with the hijacking of elections, relentlessly and methodically, over a series of several election cycles."

Anonymous   |April.19.2008 Earlier,I posted a bad link to the information below: I came across a post made by "Shrew", with a link to a continuing series of articles enlightening people to the ties John Silva has to out of town developers and other reasons to make sure not to re elect him as a Solano County Supervisor. The correct link is: http://benicianews.blogspot.com/

overpaid   |April.19.2008 Judy, I respect your zeal and passion for historic properties,and I'm fairly sure this passion is reflected in your devotion to preservation. However, it has its drawbacks. Could it be that the delays caused by the litigation hampered Lennar in its venture? Absolutely, and trust me, I'm no fan of LMI, but we need them to succeed. You saved something worthwhile, but it had a huge cost, and we'll be feeling it now more than ever. I wish people would realize that we don't live in a vaccuum. Every action has its equal and opposite reaction. Everything is good...in moderation. For now, it's important to ask questions, and insist that budget issues be presented from the public. Closed sessions are not allowed for budget issues, and I fear the "labor negotiations" title is being used to shield the huge financial mess that is being concocted. The facts and figures should be in the public eye, and the DA should look at the Brown Act and see whether it allows for so much secrecy.

Sam Kurshan   |April.19.2008 While perusing the blogs at that birdcage lining rag the T.H. I came across a post made by "Shrew", with a link to a continuing series of articles enlightening people to the ties John Silva has to out of town developers and other reasons to make sure not to re elcet him as A Solano County Supervisor. http://benicianews.blogspot.com/2008/03/super...

Little Old Lady   |April.19.2008 One of the ways that the powers that be keep up the suburban sprawl juggernaut that threatens Solano County agricultural lands is to make sure that Vallejo continues to be economically disadvantaged by concentrations of poverty. If you can buy a 4 bedroom, 2 bath brand new tract home in a safe neighborhood with good, new schools, lots of parks, needed services closeby and a favorable tax base why would you chose Vallejo? The Vallejo schools are bad, parks are inadequate, taxes and property insurance is higher, and the police and fire departments say that they can't keep you safe unless they get more money? Fear is a really important factor in selecting a home. Unless we turn this around, all the tourist guidebooks will start to warn travelers about getting off the freeway in Vallejo.

Judy Irvin   |April.19.2008 Dear Overpaid... You are wrong, wrong, wrong that folks did not give too much thought to historic character when they were negotiating the Mare Island transfer. They gave a lot of thought to making sure that they could do the same kind of Redevelopment on Mare Island that worked so well on the historic downtown about 40 years ago. First,Tony Intintoli signed Vallejo up as a Certified Local Government with the Feds and the State (1992). This agreement allows the City to do its own inside evaluation of "adverse impacts" to historic properties as required by Federal Law (36CFR800). Then they signed a Memorandum of Agreement with the USNavy, the President's Advisory Council on Historic Preservation and the State Office of Historic Preservation to set up a process on Mare Island for making sure historic properties were protected and promptly threw it in the trash. The provisions of the MOA were ignored and the City worked out a deal to let Lennar write up their own Guidelines. In the 8 years I tracked this, all of the Federal and State heavy hitters have been screaming that the Mare Island National Historic Landmark is gravely threatened. The City good-old-boys gave these concerns no thought whatever and continued their disasterous premeditated planning process. When the highly controversial final EIR and appendices were brought to the City Council for approval, Tony Intintoli rammed them through with a Statement of Overriding Consideration. I think Tony's direct quote was "we are never going to be able to agree with these people, just vote!" Unanamous. Among numerous other major flaws, Appendices included a process for tearing down National Historic Landmarks without any further CEQA analyses if a developer produced feasibility analysis indicated it would be cheaper to build anew than to rehabilitate. So what do you think would have happened to all those late 1800's brick shop buildings facing the Napa Straits and zoned Industrial if the National Trust had not stepped in to litigate???? It's not over. The National Trust has done their job and it is up to the citizens of Vallejo to watchdog what they are doing. You all did not hear about this because all of the dealing was done in the secrecy of the Architectural Heritage and Landmarks Commission with no public hearings. It was all very carefully orchestrated by the good-old-boys. And you are right about Redevelopment being a useful and effective tool...in the right hands. But in Vallejo, Redevelopment has long been part of the cash cow system of Redevelopment, Subsidized Housing and lucrative public safety contracts that feeds the good-old-boys.

Katy Miessner   |April.18.2008 The amended agenda has been posted. Item "Admin B" has been added and it states "UPDATE ON STATUS OF LABOR NEGOTIATIONS REGARDING GENERAL FUND BUDGET. Information Item Only, No action will be taken. Staff will present a verbal report on the status of labor negotiations regarding General Fund budget." There are no staff reports posted, no budget analyses. Remember what we were told back in early March--that there was only enough cash to get us thru 6/30/08 and that if no deals were made by 4/22, the City would have to file, in order to have enough time for an orderly chapter 9 filing between 4/22 and 6/30. WTFIGO? Tuesday should be quite interesting...

Carol   |April.18.2008 I think I will take different route...instead taking the IAFF to the civil grand jury, I will type a letter to the of the District Attorney's Office urging a criminal investigation. There needs to be a Criminal Grand Jury thus a Civil Grand Jury. Civil Grand jurors make recommendations, as criminal grand jurors prosecute. I wonder if and what the consumer protection department with the D.A.s would handle such a matter. Thus Penal Code Section 508, embezzelment by an employee. Essentially, this is the statute that was violated by IAFF.

Truth Teller   |April.18.2008 Osby Davis did well in the forums before the November election. There was a lot of talk then about the safety unions and he said that he felt they held too much power. He also thought that binding arbitration should be removed from the city charter. Vallejo Visitor is right re: Davis being a figurehead. Since the election though he has inserted himself into the labor mediation talks. When it was pointed out that it was not his place to do so (and especially after he agreed to give the store away in concessions - leaving ZERO to negotiate with), he said he would no longer attend these meetings. He has reinserted himself into those talks again I hear. No doubt taking Henke's advice and impersonating a strong mayor. All this to say, Davis get out of the way! Let City Manager Tanner do his job and support his decisions. If the unions won't negotiate in good faith, come back to the table with the recommendation to go to bankruptcy on 4/22. Davis, you promised the people of this city an answer on 4/22. No more delays, no more catering to the safety unions demands. You are accountable to us. If you want to be a strong leader show us who comes first - Henke or the taxpayers. Now is the time if you want to bring this city together. It ain't gonna be pretty but we can unify in the knowledge that we, the people with city staff, can clean up the wrongs of the past and create a fiscal path into the future that is sustainable. April 22nd, move forward or slide back. You decide Osby Davis...

John K   |April.18.2008 Thanks, Firebug, both for the date and the link. Anonymous, Siefert has support of United Workers for Local Government, the back door outfit the unions used to magnify their support for Pitts, Hannigan, and Wilson. I was going to ask if there was any significance, but after reviewing the list of Silva supporters, it would be a silly question.

Anonymous   |April.18.2008 And John Silva has been endorsed by the Henkettes. Need we say more? http://johnsilva.org/endorsements.asp Thomas Bartee, Councilman, Vallejo Osby Davis, Mayor, Vallejo Erin Hannigan, Councilwoman, Vallejo Hermie Sunga, Councilman, Vallejo Michael Wilson, Councilman, Vallejo

Firebug   |April.18.2008 John K- I think the election is on June 3, I was very impressed with this page and the endorsement of the oprderly growth folks. http://www.seifertforsupervisor.com/inthenewsE.htm

John K   |April.18.2008 Siefert and Silva - County Election coming up in November? With the Council stalled on agendizing of The Negotiations, we've turned to downloading of Grand Jury complaint forms (Thanks, Alun!), and thinking of the County Supervisor election. I thought it was a no-brainer... Silva demonstrated his lack of concern for Vallejo by his response to the mayoral election disaster, he appears to be steeped in special interests, and VIB posters have nothing but criticism for the guy. With no knowledge whatsoever of the challenger, she seems to be an easy choice. However, my mate insists that we vote responsibly, meaning we study the issues more carefully. She was suggesting that it would be nice to attend a candidate's forum and hear how Silva and Siefert handle questions on relevant issues. Perhaps we can invite these two candidates to participate in a smaller version of the famous VIB "Electorama" https://ibvallejo.com/archive/elect_o_index ...with candidate profiles and an online forum? Would Silva and Siefert participate?

Alun Whittaker   |April.17.2008 Did you really enjoy the County Grand Jury Report on UBL? Did you just love the sequel Friefeld Report? Were you heartbroken when the show was canceled by the IAFF network executives? Would you like the chance to bring the show back? Well then, why don't you just click over to www.solanocourts.com/grandjury/GrandJuryComplaints.asp. There you will find a form you can fill out, explaining why you think the UBL show should still be on the air and in the spotlight, and then send it in -- there's no cost to enter, you need not be present to win. You can even suggest new story lines, like one about how the folks who voted to sweep the UBL affair under the carpet had their election expenses paid by the folks who went boozing and fishing at city expense. Go on, do it now! - Tinderdrawers

Alun Whittaker   |April.17.2008 At a closed meeting from 4:45pm until the regular meeting starts at 7pm, Joe Tanner, Craig Whittom, Dennis Morris, Bob Stout, and representatives of IAFF, VPOA, IBEW, and CAMP will be reporting that everything's going swell with all of a week remaining to iron out the last few minor outstanding issues. After that, the Pope will drop in with blessings all around, and there'll be a fly over by mounted pigs of the Royal Air Cavalry. Yours -- Fartblazer

Sam Kurshan   |April.17.2008 Yes Katy, But did you also notice the special closed session with the city and the unions at 4:45 PM prior to the meeting/ I smell something foul in the works.

Katy Miessner   |April.17.2008 Tuesday's agenda is posted on the City's web site. There is a budget item, but it's only to adopt revenue and expense revisions discussed in previous meetings. No mention of solutions to the structural budget and the fact that April 22 is upon us. Are we in Oz? Pay no attention to the IAFF behind the curtain...

overpaid   |April.17.2008 My crystal ball says that this is the plan: no discussion of the bankruptcy on Tuesday.Just take it off the agenda. Discuss IAFF's plan to take all the reserves that we have for claims and litigation. (People will stop suing us and existing cases will evaporate because everyone will be happy just to avoid bankruptcy) and postpone decisions until later. I hope no judgments come in, because without bankruptcy protection, someone might seize our assets...that building at 555 Santa Clara looks good to me!

Sam Kurshan   |April.17.2008 The people who think they are getting anywhere with their malicious lies there. I don't believe we shouldn't answer them. If we don't, they will think they have prevailed with their vile gutter crap. Anyway, in between dealing with the loonies I try to get my point across to those higher up the food chain.

On Fire   |April.17.2008 Who is listening when you when you are "tormenting"? Just a diffence in preference and style I suppose. I have heard and read many things here that have peaked my interest and have further researched information from the leads that are posted here. I also have read many times from people that post here that the information was appreciated. I have learned much here at VIB from people sharing ideas and knowledge and appreciate being able to participate in the dialog here. On the other hand, very little of that type of dialog going on on the times-horrid. But people like Vallejo Visitor have a style that reflects intellect and wisdom within his/her posts. So for someone who is interested in what the real facts are, they would benefit from the information that is posted, as they are able to see that much of what is posted on the times-horrid is based on emotion and hearsay, and VV is able to set them on the right track.

Sam Kurshan   |April.17.2008 Pardon me I meant let me see.

Sam Kurshan   |April.17.2008 So me me see if I interpreted your message correctly. You would rather limit the debate of your ideas to people who primarily agree with you any way, other than their occasional difference of opinion based upon semantics and grammar, than face the challenge of trying to educate and enlighten those who disagree with you completely with the hope of changing their point of view. That's like playing in an exclusive sand box whose entry is permitted by a screening committe. Yes I'll be the first to admit I enjoy tormenting the lunatics on the T.H. so they never have the illusion of having control of the comment boards there. But I am genuinely concerned about getting people who may be on the edge of agreement with us to cross that line.

On Fire   |April.17.2008 No thanks, too much negative energy and wasted time. Much rather have a dialog with people who are positive and looking to change things and not needing to vent or be angry at the world. The interesting subjects and reference materials provided here stimulate conversations and thought. Angry brooding, kicking up sand and name calling does nothing for the universe.

Sam Kurshan   |April.17.2008 Never give up on attempting to teach your detractors, for one day they may become converts.

On Fire   |April.17.2008 The conversations at the times horrid are just emotional with very little sustance. The enlightened few like Golden, Truth Teller, and Vallejo Visitor who are doing a fine job of educating any who are open to hearing the truth, but most are die hard whiners that post to amuse themselves or pass the time of day. No real discussion or facts, just raw emotion which gets to be annoying. They are like rabid animals waiting to pounce and so if not only for amusement, I try not to post.

J.M   |April.17.2008 Very nice quote!! "Unfortunately, as a result of the greed and corruption of some unions,due to the greed and corruption of their leaders, organized labor as a whole has suffered and is now unfairly viewed in a negative light"

Firebug   |April.17.2008 Sam, Agreed I was born and raised union, but have never seen anything like I have here in Vallejo.

Sam Kurshan   |April.17.2008 Alun, Thank you for your words of support. I am fortunate to have you as my neighbor, as well as my friend.

Sam Kurshan   |April.17.2008 Let's be careful in our broad use of the term "union thugs". Although most of us here know who this refers to, some visitors may not and unintentionally think we are anti union. Organized labor unions are the back bone of workers rights and protection in this country. Unfortunately, as a result of the greed and corruption of some unions,due to the greed and corruption of their leaders, organized labor as a whole has suffered and is now unfairly viewed in a negative light. We need the support of the good unions. We need to continually make the distinction between them and the bad ones. This is the heart and foundation of our message. We need the support of organized labor in spreading the word and enlightening the public. The more unity we achieve with them the stronger our message becomes. As this situation pans out, I beleive other unions in the Solano Central Labor Council, will begin to distance themselves from the IAFF. Our good relations with those unions will help that occur.

Sam Kurshan   |April.17.2008 Actually, I pursued them as I always have. Unlike some of you who refuse to post there, my belief has always been that there are more people who post there who are potentially reachable as far as enlightening them and changing their points of view to ours. Know your enemy as your friend. In between tormenting the usual loonies there I try to post information concerning what is currently going on. I sincerely believe that if more of us were to post there we would be perceived as a more unified and powerful group.

Firebug   |April.17.2008 It looks like the union thugs followed Sam over to the TH blog under "Break from the Union".

Alun Whittaker   |April.17.2008 First, an admission: I *am* a fan - also a neighbor - of Mr. Sam Kurshan. He is a decent man and a knowledgeable commentator in person, at city hall, and in this blog. Second, an apology: I am late getting into this debate, and apologize if my post facto comments disrupt the smooth dialectic flow between Hosepipe, Firehat, Inthebarbie, Vallejolenthehead and your other distinguished correspondents. Finally, an observation: anyone who's suffered through a debate class knows that Argumentum Ad Hominem scores no points - I may indeed be ugly and degenerate, but neither observation serves to contradict my arguments. Similarly, anything that happened in Sam Kurshan's past does not reduce the effectiveness of his present opinions. Indeed his personal history may even add to his relevant knowledge, and thus his qualification to speak on the question at hand. Any ad hominem attack is pointless and ineffective, but - as in this case - an anonymous, ad hominem attack - is the lowest form of cowardice. I can't think of any more despicable act... Well perhaps there's having someone dragged from a speaker's podium, and frog-marched out of the building in plain view of the public and TV cameras, without offering any legal or procedural grounds to justify doing so, other than simply wanting to shut him up! That would be pretty despicable too, wouldn't it? Ah, but that couldn't happen here. -- Ailing Witty Cur

Firebug   |April.17.2008 Good find Onfire-I hope Vallejo Visitor is working with the group trying to remove it from the city charter. One thing key I have read from this person is that removing it from the charter isn't all that needs to be done. I wonder if there are consequences for Mayor Davis for violating the charter? Censure? Resignation?

Shay58   |April.17.2008 On Fire I have read may of Vallejo Visitor's posts over the past several weeks. In one of his previous post he said he once worked for the city of Vallejo and still cares deeply about our city. As I recall he mentioned he now lives in Marin. He knows a great deal about the inner workings of Vallejo's city government. Everytime he posts at the T-H blog, he drives the pro-high salary crowd crazy.

On Fire   |April.17.2008 There is a very interesting article in the Boston Globe today regarding a grand jury probe into the fire dept. for alledged fraud and misue of disability leave while a ff was filling for someone in a higher position, i.e., while the person was on leave or out sick. By doing so, it gave the injured ff disability pay at the higher pay leave instead of at their actual pay level, which apparently was tax free, and then if they retired, they retired at the higher pay scale which has cost the city several millions: The Globe reported in January that 102 Boston firefighters claimed career-ending injuries while they were filling in for superiors at higher pay grades, enhancing their tax-free disability pensions by an average of 10,300 a year. The rash of injuries involved personnel at every level, including 67 firefighters, 16 lieutenants, and 11 captains, all of them filling in at the next-highest rank while their superiors were on vacation or out sick, sometimes for a single day. In addition, eight district chiefs said they were seriously hurt while performing desk jobs as deputy chiefs among them, one who said he permanently injured his back while moving a file cabinet. Fire Commissioner Roderick Fraser said at the time that he considered some of those claims suspicious. The Globe also reported in a subsequent story that, in an average week last year, about 200 firefighters in the 1,500 member department were on injured leave and receiving 100 percent of their salaries tax free. The city of Boston paid 43.5 million in injured leave pay to hundreds of firefighters between 2003 and 2006, the Globe reported." It goes on to talk about how binding arbitration ruled in favor of the ff ad gave the employee benefits that also added to the cost of the city's budget. So it appears that safety employees, like every other job, has people that take advantage of their positions for their own gain. So it puts this whole "hero" worshiping in perspective.

John K   |April.17.2008 On Fire, that's a great blog (http://tinyurl.com/5vacx6) with a wealth of info on binding arbitration. For those who would like to bone up on the topic of binding arbitration, there are arguments presented for and against, with some history information sprinkled in for good measure. With a few exceptions, it looks like there's almost an intelligent discourse going on over there. You were right about Osby Davis and the mediation. If you can believe the times horrid, the Mayor has indeed inserted himself into the negotiations again. That's why Bartee attended the WETA session in Sacto. Apparently skating around the Charter's "Section 503 Noninterference," the Mayor is participating in the labor mediation "at the request of the council majority."

Silas Barnabe   |April.17.2008 Wow I wonder who this Vallejo Visitor is? Sure shut down curious/nbr/interesting pretty quickly. Good find Firebug that is just what I was looking for. How coincidental with the 1984 ban on major developments in unincorporated SOlano county do we have a Supervisor that did not support the extension and is now taking money from major developers like Seeno. What Solano county will look like if he prevails will be strip malls, housing tracts that drain city coffers even more and congestion the likes he have not seen here in Solano county.

On Fire   |April.16.2008 For those who refuse to go to the times horrid blogs, I read comments from Vallejo Visitor that were so well put that I thought I'd share them with this group. Valllejo Visitor was responding to a poster by the name of curious, who curiously sounds like a fire fighter. The statement was regarding the unions position on the issues that were decided upon by the arbitor. "And yet two stations have been closed on a rotating basis only months after the arbitrator's ruling on the staffing issue. That makes my point precisely, since the union argued at that time there were no financial constraints on the City that would prevent it from paying for those fire employees, though I read on this board that Jon Riley continues to contend there is money hidden away and that the City is lying. I can't confirm that since I'm not in those rooms. The simple fact that manning levels is even subject to negotiation and subsequently arbitration is shocking to those responsible for managing local governments. At least, that was the comment by the City of Santa Rosa after a presentation on Vallejo's financial mess. Labor relations in Vallejo are out of control and binding interest arbitration is only one element of the problem. I've read the consultants report on Vallejo's fire department. I understand there are professional organizations who do nothing else but rationalize the positions taken by unions. A seven minute response time may be nice in the ideal world where money is no object to providing fire protection. And it is easy for citizens to ask for more when they never have to confront the reality of costs. The unfunded liability for retiree health coverage is $135 million and the unfunded liability for public safety retirement for those presently working is over $51 million and the unfunded liability for miscellaneous employees is over $32 million, for a total of $218 MILLION that will eventually have to be paid by Vallejo taxpayers. That represents $5,281 for every housing unit in Vallejo. Where would you like the citizens of Vallejo to send the check? And remember, this is in addition to what is being paid in salary and fringe benefits each year. So Vallejo needs to get its house in order without having to justify its every decision before an arbitrator who doesn't live in Vallejo and can't be removed by Vallejoans unhappy with his or her work. Binding interest arbitration needs to go the way of the dodo bird. It is not required, as demonstrated by the fact 95% of California cities are doing fine without it. And since unions may no longer go on strike if there is an impasse in negotiations, binding interest arbitrations original justification is superfluous. You call this an attack on the unions so I estimate you see value in binding interest arbitration not for the benefit of the City of Vallejo, but to protect your privileges as a member of the union. I don't blame you for fighting hard for the advantages you've gained over the years through the good guidance of Mr. Davis et al. But neither do I blame the citizens of Vallejo for wanting to kill the goose that has been laying golden eggs at the expense of other employees and the delivery of decent services. You keep shoveling coal as fast as you can but I think there is an outside chance the gravy train is about to come to a screeching halt."

shay58   |April.16.2008 Thanx for info on Benicia blog and Silva. I have forwarded site to others in my neighborhood.

On Fire   |April.16.2008 sorry, Election Ethics code and the candidate's pledge that was put into place by the Bencia City Council and should be incorporated into Vallejo's Charter as well. Good find Firebug!

On Fire   |April.16.2008 The Blog is the bomb! Anyone looking for information on Silva and his history should give this blog a look. The Benicia News Blog is similar to VIB where it compiles statistics, funding sources, and voting records for people who want 'more information' than what's provided by the times horrid and their biased reporting. One thing of interest was the Election Ethics code and the candidate

Firebug   |April.16.2008 I just found an excellent blog by a Benicia resident named Will Gregory. It has revealing campaigh disclosures about Silva's link to big developers and affirms my beleif that he plans to put in some huge developments in un-incroporated Solano COunty. http://benicianews.blogspot.com/2008/03/supervisors-john-silvas-1996-7-campaign It has financial information from all his campaigns. Note the Seeno connection could that be good for Solano County?

Anonymous   |April.16.2008 Perata doesn't care about Vallejo. Perata only cares about Oakland/Alameda, Ron Cowen and Bay Area Council. That's why he pushed SB 976 through in the middle of the night... eminent domain. Intintoli only cares about his name still being on the ferry boat. Perata will make sure Alameda gets the fuel storage facility instead of Mare Island, and the ridership from San Francisco to Oakland/Alameda. It's all about making sure business interests in San Francisco and Oakland are well served.

Anonymous   |April.16.2008 >>>>> Did all of you read the Times Herald story regarding the Ferry? I believe it is positive, it looks like Vallejo will be compensated well for the Ferry as well as not have it removed out of the plans of the transportation hub (folks were worried it would be moved to Benicia.)There is a good chance that we will have a permenant seat on WETA. It also looks like we will receive a dredge for the strait, which we need badly. I truely believe we only achieved what we are receveing due to all the negative press and letter writing the citizens of Vallejo directed towards Pat Wiggins and Noreen Evans.

On Fire   |April.16.2008 I don't think it's your writing style John K., I think it's because we have no real answers to all of these questions and more so we can't speak to the issue without question marks! It appears that our mayor has inserted himself into the negotiations again, even after he was advised not to, as it would 'politicize' the issues. So it also appears that he is sending a message that Osby's in charge and not the City Manager which is a direct conflict with the City Charter. Section 503 Noninterference. Except for the purpose of inquiry into the affairs of the City and the conduct of any City department, office or agency, the Council or its members shall deal with City officers and employees who are subject to the direction and supervision of the City Manager solely through the City Manager and neither the Council nor its members shall give orders to any officer or employee either publicly or privately nor shall they attempt to coerce or influence the City Manager in respect to any contract or purchase of supplies or any other administrative action or in any manner direct or request the appointment of any person to, or his/her removal from, office by the City Manager or his/her subordinates. Violation of the provisions of this Section by a member of the Council shall be a misdemeanor, conviction of which shall immediately result in forfeiture of the once of the convicted member. (Amendment adopted by the electors of the city, 11/7/00.)

John K   |April.16.2008 Sorry... gotta work on my typing style. Too many question marks in that last post.

John K   |April.16.2008 Yup, that's a very good question, Firebug: who ARE these masked men (and women) who are laboring away behind those closed doors? We can guess that CM Joe Tanner has overall cognizance, with an assistant (Craig Whittom) working the deckplates, and probably one or two other City staff? Did it inspire confidence, when first shot out of the box they gave away the UBL and other grievance bargaining chips, so all that remains is Chapter 9? The elected officials are not directly involved? Did Dr. Lewis chase the Mayor off the playing field? What can we hope for from the City negotiators? What do we really want to see from the final plan? Naturally we want our city back, as J.D. Miller laments. But what does that mean in terms of "concessions" and what will the City be required to do in return? What can the citizens of Vallejo reasonably ask the employees to do to help solve a problem that was caused by voters, politicians, and union leaders? How about the following? 1) the City will do everything it can to increase revenues, without lowering quality of life by bringing in businesses that are unsavory 2) employee pay cuts and/or benefit and enhancement reductions to whatever is necessary to zero the budget and guarantee a reserve 3) freeze pay raises, until measured revenue increases can support raises that are based upon performance evaluations 4) freeze pay raises and benefit enhancements until Public Works and CBOs are fully funded What do you think? Would these types of concessions be acceptable? Can we add more to the Dream Sheet?

Firebug   |April.16.2008 The problem is who are the city negotiators? Osby Davis who was lectured by Dr. Lewis Brown former Councilmember for using the Mayor's Office in this capacity violates the city charter. Being that Davis brushed the UBL scandal under the rug I doubt we can count on him or his designe to rpoduce a deal that will be fair to the citizens. Any real change thus far and from nopw to another election will be through the effort of the Coucil minority and citizen's that belong to and support the binding arbitration charter ammendment. So much for the council majority I agree with Silas, pass these taxes or else, and in addition to that I think they will try to slip in some type of industrial or moral scourge (LNG or Casino) just for good measure. Remember many of us have crunched the numbers, even with Walmart, an LNG facilty we would not even break even on this budget mess. I can't imagine what kind of business it would take to get us to even AND begin to address the 330 million infrastructure issue here.

John K   |April.16.2008 7 DAYS TO THE DEADLINE Will it be another band-aid? There's a lot of pressure on the union to make concessions. If Vallejo goes into bankruptcy, it will put the union in a bad light. Vallejo will be one of the first cities to go under due to structural deficit with inability to meet requirements of the union contracts. So that would put the union in the spotlight, not just locally, but perhaps nationally. That's the bargaining chip the City negotiators have on their side of the table, but will they use it to get the Very Best Deal For The City? The bargaining chip, as one blogger in the times horrid said: " If the local union makes the national corporate look bad, then the local boss goes into the river wearing cement overshoes."

JustMe   |April.16.2008 Although I agree that the wear and tear on cruisers to drag race is sort of a problem. I do respect the effort to get kids involved with the police in a positive way. It's a really great method of reaching out to them and perhaps worth it.

SIlas Barnabe   |April.16.2008 On-Fire: My vote is a "conditional band-aid" They will put forth a solution that is based on residents passing a certain amount of taxes. If these taxes aren't passed then we goto plan B the band-aid. We will then be blamed for the band-aid because we did not vote fot the taxes.

On Fire   |April.16.2008 Yes, keep the trolls under the bridge, and let them dwell in the land of the times horrid. Well, seven days and counting. Will the henkettes come up with a plan to save the day? Or will they simply offer yet another band-aid? Will that plan add layers of "revenue enhancement" fees that put the burden of keeping the city afloat on the tax payers? How much are we willing to pay if the unions don't offer enough to make the deal work? So many questions still unanswered and it's unsettling that all of the answers to these questions, (or not) will be flung upon the reidents on the same day that Council will be making decisions that can impact the city for years to come. With so little time for us to comment on them, we need to be vigilant to any clues that may be revealed over the next few days and be ready to attend the next council meeting. One other thing to ponder. If the police dept. doesn't have money for replacement vehicles, why are they usig these same precious resources to 'drag race' with people at the speedway? Why use any of our cars and motorcycles in any exhibitions, knowing that we can't replae them anytime soon? I can't understand the logic of our police chief when he comes to council and cries about the wear and tear on the vehices and not having money to buy "new" toys for his department, yet he sends the ones we have merrily down the highway to race adding more wear and tear to them. I would expect a responisble dept. head to put a moritorium on any unnecessary use that only can be considered puff factor to their egos. That is unless they were arresting criminals while drag racing?

WATZ UP WITH THAT   |April.16.2008 Keep the "trolls" under the bridge in "dark places" where they belong by not addressing anything they have to say. Lets all "stay the course" and keep the dialogue going in a postive direction, the reason(s) we all read VIB.

MISSMARVELOUS   |April.16.2008 Did all of you read the Times Herald story regarding the Ferry? I believe it is positive, it looks like Vallejo will be compensated well for the Ferry as well as not have it removed out of the plans of the transportation hub (folks were worried it would be moved to Benicia.)There is a good chance that we will have a permenant seat on WETA. It also looks like we will receive a dredge for the strait, which we need badly. I truely believe we only achieved what we are receveing due to all the negative press and letter writing the citizens of Vallejo directed towards Pat Wiggins and Noreen Evans. For once the citizens of Vallejo were awake and ready for battle. Involvement in the day to day politics of our city, volunteering to remove graffiti, filling empty clerical seats at the police department,and other civic minded duties show a sign of strength. We now have a way to expose under-handed manuverings to the masses via VIB. Look out State, County and City representative, it's our "turn" now! Next on the list, BINDING ARBITRATION... What say you "Little Old Lady?"

Sam Kurshan   |April.15.2008 Just me said, "Unfortunately I can establish the exact time frame when this blog headed downhill. I'm sure all of you can also." Just in case Just Me, was referring to me, I would be more then willing to try an experiment starting right now. I will stop commenting here, under my real name and any other name I may have used. But I will bet that nothing changes in my absense. A scape goat isn't the answer. Realizing that this isn't a perfect world is what is at issue. For every person who leaves, whose passion is sometimes displayed by their foul mouth, another one will take their place. If you want a utopia you have to clone it in a test tube. By the way, I detest Jerry Springer. Adios Amigos?

Marc Garman--The Editinator   |April.15.2008 Dear Troll an Others I am not personally a big fan of Mr. Kurshan's streaming asterisk profanities. However, rather than intervene I leave it to you, my dear denizens of the blogosphere to debate the issue. Please feel free to discuss the issue among yourselves if you think it deserves the time space and brainpower. I will be watching and considering your arguments.(Likely there are more productive discussions to be had.) And for the record, the decision to redact was mine alone...and it was only the second time such action has been taken in the history of the blog. A record I am proud of. Compared to the mass deletions I have witnessed on the TH blog I consider The Scream to have a pretty good record. Nonetheless, we do watch what is going on and will intervene if certain lines are crossed. Happily that has been very rare. Let's try to keep it productive. Thank you for your input. Remember...This is YOUR blog more than it is mine!! Marc Garman--Editor

Silas Barnabe   |April.15.2008 I agree with Firebug, something is happening involving the Times Herald and the regular trash the posts there is finding its way here. I suspect meidiation is not going as well as Davis and Reno had hoped. As far as intelligent discourse before the 1186 whiners started showing their yello colors there was some good discussion around the Solano County Supervisor's race.

JustMe   |April.15.2008 This board is no longer enjoyable and no longer intelligent discourse. Those who disagree are slammed with no intelligent conversation to backup the slamming which effectively shuts down any sharing of ideas on either side or both. Unfortunately I can establish the exact time frame when this blog headed downhill. I'm sure all of you can also. It nice if you like Jerry Springer style discourse, but I prefer the good ideas and courteous disagreement.

Sam Kurshan   |April.15.2008 An after thought. It does seem more than a coincidence that your sudden interjection of your complaint, in the middle of a thread that had nothing to do with me, was intentionally and selfishly timed by you to disrupt the otherwise smooth exchange of ideas that was taking place here. You did that consciously and by choice. You could have just as easily contributed to the topic of the conversation instead. So the question remains. Did you really have a concern about my language or was your objective just to disrupt the board? No more time for you. You got much more than you deserved. Now back to our regularly scheduled program

overpaid   |April.15.2008 I suspect that the recent media lack of interest stems from the lack of sensationalist news, as there is supposedly a blackout on mediation information. Of course at the end of the month, try putting "Vallejo Council Refuses to Go into Bankruptcy" into a headline. It actually makes them sound heroic.It's when we stop paying the bills that we will see some trouble, and by them it may be too late. I wish the mediator and the funded four had more of a fiscal background, as it is literally impossible to come up to speed with IAFF shenanigans in such a short period of time, and come to the correct conclusion. ON the other hand, maybe I'm just expecting too much.

Sam Kurshan   |April.15.2008 Dear Just Call Me a Troll, OK you're a Troll. I would also state I did not ask Mr. Garrman to redact the information concerning me. In fact I asked him NOT TO. I am a big boy who can stand up for and defend himself with out anyone's help. Why don"t you be a big boy (or girl) and grow up and stop whining about this. You said: "the continued allowance of the profanity that streams from Mr. Kurshan is ridiculous. Granted, Mr. Kurshan "quasi" censors himself with the use of substituted symbols for the letters within the profane words, but it is profanity, and profanity that is aimed toward specific individuals only for insult". I have used that so called abbreviation of profanity here maybe twice. If you don't like it don't read it. better yet don't give me a reason to use it. I have ONLY "insulted" those people who come here to disrupt the comment dialogs. The real trolls. I have never used profanity to "insult" anyone HERE but them and that was only on Sunday evening. I have no apology for using that kind of language towards the person who tried but failed to publicly embarrass me by outing personal information concerning me. Their goal was only that and for that I consider them low life scum. I am not required by anyone to limit my choice of words when addressing that kind of person. They already defined the threshold and crossed it at the same time by resorting to the unethical type of behavior they attempted to perpetrate on me here. I was being conservative by my own measurement, in using symbols and not real letters, which could have easily been typed and not censored by simply inserting a dash in between each letter. If I were you, I would concentrate my efforts on limiting the type of behavior of those people who only comment here to disrupt the otherwise smooth flow of dialogs than that of "Mr. Kurshan" who always has something constructive and informative to contribute. A short history lesson from Mr.Kurshan on Mr. Kurshan. I became known for using profanity when I was regularly commenting on the Times Herald comment boards. I did so DELIBERATELY and ONLY DIRECTED IT SPECIFICALLY to that special element of scum who continued to day in and day out, fabricate malicious rumors about Council Member Gomes and former Council Member Pearsall having an affair, I did so to those insulting Mr.Pearsall's innocent and uninvolved daughter and I especially enjoyed using that kind of language for the biggest scum of all. The scum that made up the vile story that Gary Cloutier was seen on the roof of his building "carrying on" with a young boy. If I knew who these people were I would have gone out of my way to spit in their faces and them some. In my opinion, no one has a right to tell someone who has been violated that they are limited in the way they can respond to that violation. I have and always will believe in an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth!

Firebug   |April.15.2008 Dear Troll, There is an invention for semi-private conversations to take place, that invention is called email. For the future could you please use it if you do not want anyone to respond to your childish rants. Your bevavior modification would be greatly appreciated by those of us that look for intelligent discourse on a blog. Kisses Firebug

Firebug   |April.15.2008 This is what happens when no one posts on the TH blogs anymore.

Jcma Troll   |April.15.2008 Excuse me, Carol, what did you say? I'm sorry, I wasn't talking to you, I was presenting my opinion to Mr. Garman, or did I type "Dear Carol" by mistake? Wait, no, after checking, it says Dear Mr. Garman.

Dialog Monitor   |April.15.2008 Troll, your absolutely correct. As noted, we have addressed this and it should be noted that profanity, alluded to or otherwise, is something that VIB frowns upon. Everyone gets their first warning though and then dealt with accordingly. Putting symbols in place of letters doesn't excuse it, nor does spelling the word out so that it will appear. The intent is to keep conversations civil and there should be enough words in one's vocabulary to not have to resort to profanity.

Carol   |April.15.2008 Troll: You're a big boy...just deal with those naughty words. If you do not like his comments, just don't read his post.

Just call me a Troll   |April.15.2008 Dear Mr. Garman, I completely agree with the redaction of the information for Mr. Kurshan, however, the continued allowance of the profanity that streams from Mr. Kurshan is ridiculous. Granted, Mr. Kurshan "quasi" censors himself with the use of substituted symbols for the letters within the profane words, but it is profanity, and profanity that is aimed toward specific individuals only for insult. If you do not consider these actions a personal attack on someone, something you profess is not allowed, then the words "Pick and Choose" should replace the words "Daily Screams".

history buff   |April.15.2008 Abandoned fire stations do not provide service. Sorry for the incomplete statement. We have as many staffed fire stations now as we did in the late 1950's. There are building, that were fire stations, that have been transfered to other agencies that are still standing and some demolished. The current PAL office was originally a fire sta. There was a station on Sacramento St. (near Georgia St.) next to the old YMCA that was torn down in the 1960's. The county communications bldg. at Rose Park on Mariposa. A fire station existed across from the Navy Elks on Alabama. The building for a fire sta. is still standing out near Federal Terrace school but transfered to ??? Possibly a station used to exist in the old Roosevelt Terrace area?

On Fire   |April.15.2008 We currently have 7 stations including one on Mare Island. The one on Fulton in East Vallejo hasn't been there since 1950, nor has the one on Ascot in North Vallejo. So unless there were fire stations that were located somewhere else and later torn down, it appears that we have a few more now then in 1950?

Too Cute   |April.15.2008 Thanks for the phot update. This one (on front page) is much cuter.

history buff   |April.15.2008 I don't know if this answers your question, but Vallejo has as many fire stations (6) today as it did in the late 1950's. Vallejo population back then was in the 30,000's?? I think it only served Vallejo, so the question of left over excess capacity does not appear to apply.

NBR   |April.15.2008 Alameda, CA Class Title: FIREFIGHTER Class Code: 4200 Salary ... 2436 - 3543 bi-weekly Vallejo, CA Class Title: Firefighter Class code: FOO Salary ..... 2914 - 3542 bi-weekly

Firebug   |April.15.2008 I agree Doug they have issues as dire as ours. I don't think the Hornet museum idea paid off for them as I am skeptical of the USS Iowa museum idea working here. After much conversation with life long Vallejoans there is some debatable perspectives of the value of the Iowa. All agree a historical Mare Island attraction is needed to draw in some revenue, many have stated that there isn't any dots connecting the Iowa to Mare Island, it wasn't built or docked there. Mare Island to many was a submarine base and some feel a museum that actually represented what went on at Mare Island would be more appropriate. They did build several nucluer sub including the Marriano Guadalupe Vallejo (not the TH poster). Perhaps we could acquire a sub in that class and make the M.G. Vallejo an attraction?

Doug   |April.15.2008 Here is a Vallejo vs. Alameda comparison. In my opinion Alameda is in a more vulnerable situation that Vallejo although they do have reserve funds this year. Notice that the tax revenue is smaller than the safety service costs in Alameda. Also, look at the land area of the two cities: Alameda is a third the size of Vallejo yet pays almost the same amount for fire service. I keep thinking there must be some legacy issue that had/has an impact on the size of these municipal safety departments. Even if we were able to normalize the hourly wage rates across all departments might we still see large disparities in total costs? Is it possible that the first cities to organize a police and fire service many years ago provided service to surrounding areas in a code sharing arrangement? Then when those surrounding areas finally organized their own departments, the original cities were left with oversized departments with excess capacity? If any union folks are here maybe you can give us some history of the region. Vallejo CAFR 2007 Property taxes 23,812,446 Sales taxes ...12,517,648 Other taxes ...6,686,545 Utility taxes 12,746,862 Tot Tax Revenue 55,763,501 Fire service .. 25,238,098 Police service 38,050,873 Safety Services 63,288,971 Total General Fund expenses.. 83,178,534 Vallejo Demographics 2005 Median income.. 50,030 Population..... 117,483 Violent Crime.. 1,206 Land Area sq mi 30.20 .................................. Alameda CAFR 2007 Property taxes 21,050,628 Other taxes ... 24,435,752 Tot Tax Revenue 45,486,380 Fire service .. 23,634,196 Police service 25,244,920 Safety Services 48,879,116 Total General (minus Alameda GVRD) Fund expenses.. 67,422,910 Alameda Demographics 2005 Median income.. 56,285 Population..... 70,567 Violent Crime.. 232 Land Area sq mi 10.7

J.M   |April.14.2008 Bay area Television stations, Radio & Public funded communication stations have continued to show a lack of interest in our current Financial Situation. Even when study reports, budget analyses & investigations have shown the Unions are to blame for the most part; news media have chosen to cherry pick what they will or will not talk about. Reality is, cities across California, if not the Unites States are keeping a watchful eye on our current situation. More & more cities are bringing into light possible financial issues. It is no accident Cities across the State are reviewing the way they conduct business in budget expenses,tax revenues, union negotiations & general issues. Mass Media has been brought up in past blogs & I continue to believe this would be beneficial, especially in light of the upcoming November elections. With Binding Arbitration just around the corner this would also cause more awareness among Vallejo residents(remember, many Latinos are registered voters) we need to educate them on current issues as well. This is a historical time for Vallejo to produce positive change...Let's end 35+ years of Vallejo political corruption!!! We need a sponsor to dedicate a "Special Series" of reports on bancruptcy meltdown & follow it closely to then highlight all positive change moving forward & or progressive events, projects, redevelopments, new businesses,possible Cancer Research Center(Toro Universtiy)it's many talented artists, promote that Vallejo is a great bay area City where many cultures, intellectual minds, co-exist! Phew! that was long.

NBR   |April.14.2008 Taking into account the 'glitch' is the web site, I'll try rounding the hourly rates and hopefully a further explanation of "Modesto's firefighters get a fraction of Vallejo pay will be forthcoming? Modesto, CA Class Title: FIREFIGHTER Class Code: 7215 Salary ... 25 - 31 hourly Vallejo, CA Class Title: Firefighter Class code: FOO Salary ..... 25 - 31 hourly All figures from published city web sites

overpaid   |April.14.2008 On the Silva special legislation for Mare Island. It's not redevelopment that's evil. Redevelopment is just a tool. What's lacking is accountability. All other redevelopment areas have their own Board or Authority, with actual redevelopment staff. Redevelopment can do great things (think Emeryville, which was just an old dump before IKEA and all that (re)development. Our Council has too much on their plate, and is beholden to too many interests to Redevelop successfully. LOL no one actually gave much thought to the old historic character, much less intended to clear it all out through redevelopment.

WAZ UP WIT DAT?   |April.14.2008 Good grief, three time incumbent John Silva wants us to vote for him for County Sup. Give me a break, has he seen the condition of VAllejo? Question: "Mr. Silva, what have you done for us lately?" Thats all we need, Mike Thompson/Napa and Silva/Solano County plotting what they can get out of good old Vallejo with the least amount of concessions... Enough is enough! Linda Seifert would be a least fresh blood. We do need someone from Vallejo however, to protect our interests... Gary C. where are you when we need you?

NBR   |April.15.2008 Modesto, CA Class Title: FIREFIGHTER Class Code: 7215 Salary: 25.94 - 31.53 hourly Vallejo Class Title: FIREFIGHTER Class Code: F00 Salary: 25.88 - 31.46 hourly Fraction????? (rates corrected by admin - working on the bug)

Heads Up   |April.14.2008 I think the story that your talking about Sam was on the front page of VIB? (Fire Chief)

Sam Kurshan   |April.14.2008 Here's another one from The Modesto Bee IMO the article should be titled "Need or Greed". Modesto's firefighters get a fraction of Vallejo pay Submitted by After_Deadline on Thu, 2008-03-13 10:27. Posted in Modesto Bee Staff | Politics/Social Action | After_Deadline's blog � The San Francisco Chronicle created this database to show six-figure salaries in the city of Vallejo, which is on the brink of bankruptcy. The best paid employee - one from the Police Department - pulled in 435,638. A firefighter earned 350,212. I wrote a story a couple weeks ago showing salaries for Modesto's top earners. None of them brought home a salary in the ballpark of those two in Vallejo. It sounds like Modesto's unions are moving early to prevent the city from reaching Vallejo's troubles. Modesto's firefighter union, for example, agreed to a mandatory staffing reduction that will save the department money this budget year.

Sam Kurshan   |April.14.2008 I did a google search for IAFF Local 1186 corruption and I came across this magazine: Fire Chief There is an interesting article and analysis about the Vallejo Fire Union situation which you ought to read. You may be surprised at the position it takes. There is even a link in the article the word "corruption" in blue) that takes you right here to a stiory in the VIB concerning that. FIRE CHIEF Established in 1956, FIRE CHIEF is the magazine for "Every Department, Every Leader." Articles by fire officers from across the country and overseas cover a wide variety of areas that are important to today's fire chief. In addition, our monthly lineup of departments provides even more information, in a quick, accessible format. FIRE CHIEF's features examine issues that are of particular importance to the chief officers who lead and manage fire departments. In the course of any given year, specific feature topics might include training, safety and health, communications, fire investigation, finance and budgeting, professional development, incident command, hazmat response, vehicle maintenance and other crucial areas. web site link: http://blog.firechief.com/mutual_aid/2008/03/06/what-next-not-why-us/

Shay58   |April.14.2008 Thanks for all the previous posts on Board of Supes. In recent days I had an opportunity to meet Linda Seiffert and I have to say I'm impressed. She seems to be well versed on the issues and I believe (hope) she will serve all of her district fairly. I just learned that Seiffert is Silva's first challenge in 12 years. We need a change. Meanwhile, if anyone has any other information regarding the upcoming election, please post.

Little Old Lady   |April.14.2008 I don't think that a Vallejo candidate for Supervisor would be a better choice than Siefert. She has the ability to make informed choices and we have all seen what the Vallejo populace has been tricked into electing. Silva is the guy the good-old-boys want so that, in itself, is reason enough to support Siefert.

On Fire   |April.14.2008 You asked me what "I" would have done. "I" would have called/emailed the Editinator is if were my personal information and the person was lying about me.

Sam Kurshan   |April.14.2008 I did NOT contact Marc about this.

On Fire   |April.14.2008 I think I was clear on my response to "ano" about the posting of your information last night. I thought it was uncalled for and juvenile. I would have also asked the Editinator to deal with it. I also stated that you shouldn't get drawn into and give any energy to "ano's" attempt to cause chaos because this is exactly what they want us to do. The only reason that they come here and post the things they do, is to get a response from the others posting here and then they try to continue the diversion so that we stop addressing the other issues at hand. (Bait and Switch) I thought your response was acceptable and you also agreed with my comments to you about ignoring them. So?

J.M   |April.14.2008 wonder what education & or experience one needs to be on the Solano County Board of Supervisors, but yes, a Vallejo resident would be appropriate. Without corruption, one can achieve great accomplishments in Public Office, but one will be put to the test over & over again with no remorse as we'ved seen thus far...

Anonymous   |April.14.2008 Seifert sounds like the better candidate, but she doesn't live in Vallejo. Isn't there a qualified Vallejo resident that can be a candidate?

Sam Kurshan   |April.14.2008 What I meant and I will restate again, is how would you have responded to the outing of your personal information? Please answer the question. Thank you.

Anonymous   |April.14.2008 San Francisco Chronicle article on former Alameda naval station. Same problems like we have with Mare Island...... Alameda naval base redevelopment hits snags Carolyn Jones, Chronicle Staff Writer Monday, April 14, 2008 http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/14/BAGO1047S3.DTL None of it bodes well for the city of Alameda, which is facing an unexpected $4 million budget shortfall due to declines in property transfer taxes, permit fees and other housing-related revenue sources. Next year, the city expects a shortfall of $5 million to $7 million, said Lisa Goldman, deputy city manager. "We're not having the same problems that a lot of other Bay Area cities are having, like Vallejo, but we are experiencing some difficult challenges," Goldman said.

On Fire   |April.14.2008 Sam, what's easy for me to say? You agreed last night so not sure what you mean?

J.M   |April.14.2008 I appreciate bringing into light regarding John Silva & Mike Thompson. Will have to investigate who else is running for the June 3rd election for Solano County Board of Supervisors. Now more than ever, we need to be educated on who really is the best person for the job. Mr. Kurshan, I vote for you as I feel you would be a very strong candidate for this position my point is we need people/individuals who love & truly are dedicated to Vallejo & Solano County. There are several types of people... those who talk & wish for change & those who talk & actually make change happen. You know what they say...that 20% of the population supports that 80% & I feel many on this site are part of the 20%. In regards to a bit of "Non Intelligent Discourse" I find it quite amusing, when certain individuals want to disrupt the regular informative information on VIB. They soon realize they are no match mentally informatively or intelligently.

Sam Kurshan   |April.14.2008 On Fire, Easy for you to say. I wonder how you would have responded to the outing of your personal information.

Firebug   |April.14.2008 Thank you Little Old Lady, I have also looked at Linda Seifert's website. http://www.seifertforsupervisor.com/endorsementsE.htm I like her endorsements so far! If we can kick Silva out of office I wonder if other politicians will think twice about listing Davis, Hannigan, WIlson, Bartee, or Sunga as endorsers?

On Fire   |April.14.2008 Sorry, didn't think that was a bad word. "We should not be drawn into a leg lifting, territory marking match"..... Hope that's better.

On Fire   |April.14.2008 I agree Phoenix. If the trolls decided to come to VIB with the sole intent of causing chaos and making personal attacks that have no useful purpose, the Edinator should address and deal with them. The rules are note confining but they do exist. The same goes for people who participate in this forum and their responses. If the posts break down to that level then it no longer becomes useful for the other people here and we should not be drawn into a ****ing match as it has no value here. This type of behavior is what I expect from the times horrid posts. We have had several good and informative exchanges of information and dialog and this is one of the best blogs that I have been able to participate in. We can agree not to disagree. We can have a difference of opinion, but why act like bullies in a bar room? Leave the juvenile behavior at the door.

Little Old Lady   |April.14.2008 Mr. John Silva represents part of Vallejo including Mare Island. His fingerprints are all over the special legislation passed by Mike Thompson (who represents the Napa Valley, not us) to allow formation of a Redevelopment Area on Mare Island (A National Historic Landmark) for economic reasons alone. The years of under-the-radar planning for Mare Island have been focused on setting the stage for massive demolition of listed historic properties without any further CEQA review. This is a long term strategy to put more Redevelopment money into the hands of a favored few. Note that Mike Thompson endorses Silva too. Silva has not been a friend to the citizens of Vallejo...we need to send him packing.

Ashes   |April.14.2008 That's nonsense. If you sincerely believe in the issues that this web site promotes then nothing will sway you from its mission. If you are faint of heart or do not have the stomach to tolerate the kind of frays that occasionally occur here then by all means do not participate in them. As far as your comment about those who would normally be supportive becoming alienated, you need to search your conscience for the answer to this question: Were you really ever supportive or are you an outsider looking in who can not make up their mind because you can not stand behind the courage of your convictions. Don't use the elements of human nature, which sometimes may not be exhibited to your liking, as an excuse not to lend your support. Don't make statements that are meant to intimidate and limit the expression of those who may become emotionally embroiled.

PHOENIX   |April.14.2008 The level and nature of the most recent discourse (diatribe)is starting to become so vitriolic and juvenile so as to alienate those who would normally be supportive. STICK TO THE ISSUES!!!

Firebug   |April.14.2008 Shay and Silas, I have been thinking about this race a lot. Last year there was a campaign to extend the 1984 Measure A smart growth initiative. The farmers managed to convince the voting public not to do this. Subsequently there was a shakeup of the commitee that wrote the new County Gneral Plan that still keeps the eight restrictive criteria of the old plan, but itlooks like the loop hole is "re-zoning". Apparently this plan will make some farmers and property owners richer over-night as their land will be deemed "unfarmable" and the land zoned so that there can be large scale developments, housing, stripmalls and such. I know that when Vallejo's Bardoni Ranch development poses significant new demands of our resources, traffic, infrastructure, fire, and police services. I can't hel[p but wonder if there would be similar impacts on resources of nearby incorporated cities if inincorporated land is developed. I am also concerned about Silva's smug attitude around the Davis-Cloutier recount scandal, and how Reagan, and Vasquez have shut out Kondylis from commitees like is being done here to GOmes and Shively by Davis, Hannigan, Wilson, Bartee, and Sunga. I think the convicted DUI'er Reagan is also running for office. Now that most of the only land left to build on is in the County's purview I would be intrerested in seeing the campaign contributors to the candidates.

Shay58   |April.14.2008 I agree with Silas regarding the June 3 election. John Silv, who represents unincorporated Vallejo on the Solano Board of Supervisors, has been a basic no-show in our area for far too long. My impression is that Silva's interest is Benicia, not Vallejo.

Silsas Barnabe   |April.14.2008 Is the VIB looking at the June 3 election particularly at SOlano County Board of Supervisor's race? I know one candidate I will not be endorsing, I read threw John Silva's official endorsements and found the ingamous Michael Wilson, Erin Hannigan, and Osby Davis. Perhaps the IAFF is running scared but for all the national press I think it is either ignorant totally oblivious to list such endorsements.

Waz Up Wit Dat?   |April.14.2008 The "editnator" is correct, we are all being tricked into petty discussions meant to draw us away from the real topics on VIB website. It's obvious the VFD is getting worried, otherwise they would not spend time trolling the VIB. With exposure from the San Francisco Chronicle, and now the blog site from Half Moon Bay, the blinders are off and many cities know what Vallejo is going through from their own experience. Kurt Henke's own home town of Napa is waiting to see what happens in Vallejo, as they have contract with bothe Fire and Police that are "out of this world." VAllejo has received negative press about our financial condition, but may end up being the "hero" of many other cites depending on the decision we make regarding our city employee's contracts. Lets concentrate on the issues, not wallow in the personal attacks directed by the VFD. Keep up the excellant dialogues all of you!!!

Stool Pigeon   |April.13.2008 Dear Mr. ****burger or is it Schaitberger. Kurt's being bad again. Please as head of the IAFF talk to him.

Dialog Monitor   |April.13.2008 Why did I know this would turn into the clown show? Can everyone stop playing with themselves and act like adults? No one want's to read this back and forth as it's not a personal blog to air out your personal issues. Please, let's move one.

Sam Kurshan   |April.13.2008 Kurt, There is nothing you can do to stop me short of killing me. Nothing Boyee! Nothing! Just like you are about to become!

**** Patrol   |April.13.2008 How come you can say Kitty but you can't say p-u-s-s-y? Thats sexual discrimination

***** Patrol   |April.13.2008 What a ***** ass coward. anonymous said: "Who said anything about Mr. Kurshan...I said Sam. There are a lot of "Sams" out there."

Sam Kurshan   |April.13.2008 Thank you On Fire. You are absolutely right. How about we all stop responding to their posts.

On Fire   |April.13.2008 Sam why are you putting any energy into this coward? Just ignore the troll and let him play with himself. This is exactly what the response he wanted to draw people away from the real issues. Bait and switch. So transparent!

Sam Kurshan   |April.13.2008 Anonymous, You are a coward with no integrity hiding behind a fake screen name. There is no way you would have done what you just attempted to do while using your real name. I am and always will be a person of integrity and for all I care you can hate me with a passion. I do not hide behind fake screen names because I have nothing to hide and never will. When I insult you you will always know it is me. When I disagree with you you will always know it is me. Youi however will always be known asx a cward whocan not be trusted or believed. Instead of attacking Marc, why don't you respond to my response to your questions. What you believed to be a well planned attempt to discredit me turned out to make you look like a desperate fool instead. There is nothing you can say here any more, you never had any credibility and now you have minus 100 credibility. You are even a failure at making trouble here. Now, since I work in the I.T. industry, I can easily find out who you are. Would you like to call my bluff? I think it would be much more embarrassing for you to be exposed individually and certainly more entertaining

Marc Garman--The Editinator   |April.13.2008 Sam said so.

Anon   |April.13.2008 Who said anything about Mr. Kurshan...I said Sam. There are a lot of "Sams" out there.

Marc Garman--The Editinator   |April.13.2008 Anonymous, You certainly can disclose and discuss public information on the site. At this point everyone knows Mr. Kurshan had a bankruptcy. That is fine. However there were comments in your post that went into personal attack. Fair enough as to the distinction between public and private. Last time I checked Mr. Kurshan was not elected or appointed. But lets discuss Mr. Kurshan's bankruptcy and how it relates to the issues without making irrelevant accusations. This is not a forum for personal attack. As editor I rarely intervene. Let's keep it that way.

On Fire   |April.13.2008 Ano, how juvenile! How about you coming up with something useful to talk about? Easy for you to go on attack and hide behind the computer screen. If you are so worried about being honest and transparent, why don't you post with your real name? For your information, city employees are paid by the tax payers. So their salaries are public information. You have a problem with it, talk to the courts that determined it the right of the public to know who much your paid. Obviously this has struck a cord with you. Where are you on the list of employees? Personally, I could care less about the information you posted. Court records are also public information, but your personal and snide remarks takes it beyond trying to out someone. Your obvious attempt to divert the conversation to anything but intellegent discourse. So typical of the prior posts on the times horrid, being ugly with no purpose. Just like a typical bully. Smacks of the henkettism. Grow up. Or at least go back to playing in your own sandbox.

Anon   |April.13.2008 Marc, City employees are not all "public figures" only appointed and elected ones are. Regardless, as long as the information is public record and accurate (which apparently it is) it is inapropriate that a WEB site, which desires to promotes dialgue and honest perspective would censure that information...check with your attorney.

Marc Garman--The Editinator   |April.13.2008 Sam, I have had a problem figuring out why you (or anyone else) would think bankruptcy would be a good idea for the City. My though is it should be avoided in every case, unless it is absolutly necessary. So, I did a littXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. Did it work well for you? INTERVENTION This entry has been redacted by the Editinator. It constitutes a personal attack. Please keep comments productive. Mr. Kurshan is not a public figure. The author of this entry should consider themselves on warning. It is the hope of the VIB blogstaff that we can continue to explore the issues facing our city without devolving into a third grade sandbox brawl. This is not the T-H. Thank You

Anonymous   |April.13.2008 Hey Marc, Why did you delete my post about Sam's bandruptcy? It's public record. Maybe he could offer some insight. Oh, I get it, public record is only ok for our fight against the employees of the City. We are not going to post anything which might put us in a bad light. VIB involved in censurship...that's the democratic way. Good job Marc...it says a lot for the credibility of VIB site.

Sam Kurshan   |April.13.2008 Without going into the reasons for my declaring chapter eleven personal bankruptcy ten years ago, I can say with a clear conscience that at the time, it was the best solution for me to have a fresh start financially. Ten years later my credit is excxellent and this year my bankruptcy comes off my credit report as well as the public record. I am honored yet concerned that you would actually spend that much time investigating me unless you felt I or the ideas ans opinions I represent were a clear and present threat to you, or are standing in the way of an agenda you are tryng to promote. We always knew this would become dirty so I am not surprised, shaken or even phased one bit by your disclosure of what you have already stated is a matter of public record. I have no regrets for declaring bankruptcy and would do it again if I was ever presented with the circumstances under which it occurred. Furthermore, to use it as an analogy to the City's current financial situation, I honestly and sincerely believe that it is in the best interests of the City of Vallejo to declare bankruptcy at this juncture. It will give the City a fresh start and hopefully help build a new foundation on which the City can reorganize and plan a more beneficial financial future for its rel as well as its citizens. I am sorry you didn't get the reaction you had hoped for. I'll share something personal about myself with you though to let you know why you will NEVER be able to discredit me or embarrass me. That being, when I make a mistake or experience a personal failure or set back, I am never ashamed to admit it or talk about it with friends, adversaries or strangers. That is because I consider it a learning experience which I can grow and improve my self from. Who YOU are and what YOU represent is really the issue here. But very soon you and what you represent will no longer be an impediment to the progress and well being of our City and Its Citizens. That is what really is at issue here!

Robert Schussel   |April.13.2008 Sam I think any concerns about the level of service of Cal Fire versus the current firefighters is moot. The bottom line is we can't afford what we currently have. Whether Cal Fire is at parity doesn't matter as we need services that are affordable. In my opinion we would be better off with 4 firestations and more ambulance service that uses Paramedics.The small number of major structural fires and the 94% of calls for EMS doesn't seem to support the current model of fire trucks racing to every call regardless of its nature.

Sam Kurshan   |April.13.2008 Actually this is the one I wanted to post: Randall, Thanks for the insight from your personal experience. I have looked at the online chats in some of the cities you have mentioned and only see praise for the Cal Fire Firefighters. I can only hope our communities sing those praises in the future. In my opinion, Ted is either a very misinformed individual or a sore loser in this litigation. I am not sure if Ted is one of the firefighters who I am sure will fear the change. Would it be possible to fear some accountability instead of this constant drama that has occured. If I were them, I would welcome the stability. I do not believe the sky is falling arguements nor those that the state will milk the HMB FD dry. From what I have seen of the other cities they contract with I see nothing but thriving communities that appear to have a fire department they are proud of. Don't believe me, look for yourself. I also do not agree that we on the Coastside are so special and so different than any other community, their pride and their needs. I for one am willing to see what Cal Fire does for the department. I am not looking for an overnight success but a fair chance. Good luck to Cal Fire and best wishes for our Coastside! Mike S, a resident of El Granada, 8 hours ago

Sam Kurshan   |April.13.2008 Forgot to type my name in again. My bad!

Anonymous   |April.13.2008 Me thinks me smelleth a troll. Interesting how they copy pasted theone and only pro fire fighters response. Here is the response to his response: Ted, Your arguments show and incredible bias. My son is a CalFire Engineer who has worked in the cities Of Moreno Valley, Indo and Temecula in Riverside County, and now works in Napa, just three miles north of Vallejo. He works in a contracted city just like Half Moon Bay is becoming. I have had the pleasure to visit him and see all of the fire stations that he has worked. Despite being my son, I can say honestly, that the CalFire firefighters that I have met are very good people who are honest, ethical and , intelligent. I would be happy to have any of them here in Half Moon Bay serving our town. As an avid reader, I have followed the news daily, in all of the cities that my son has worked, including Napa. To ease your fears, I have never read a single comment or concern regarding the fire stations operated by CalFire. Certainly, I have never read the constant stream of fire drama that occurs here. As far as Vallejo, my son says that they already depend on CalFire. The Vallejo firefighters go to Napa to for their hazardous chemical emergency response team for training. Evidently, Vallejo does not have the capability of responding to hazardous chemical emergencies, so they depend on the chemical truck from Napa. Randall, a resident of Half Moon Bay, 9 hours ago

HMB blogosphere   |April.13.2008 Sam Kurshan. When Cal Fire raises its rates in a few years you will be whistling a different tune. We have no way of going back (economically that is) with our own fire service. Cal Fire(i.e. the State government) will balance the state budget on our collective backs!!!! What happens if personnel costs increase 15%+++??? Those costs will be passed onto the residents of the coastside. Their stategy has always been to "low ball" the contract at the beginning to get you hooked. Then its...hang on baby...Stay tuned!!! Ted, a resident of Half Moon Bay, 19 hours ago

Sam Kurshan   |April.13.2008 That was me, I forgot to type my name in. Senior moment.

Anonymous   |April.13.2008 Check out he rest of the HMB blog comments. They talk about Fire union bought and paid for council candidates, recalling them, lawsuits etc. It's like a big mirror, Good God. Incredible! http://talkabout.hmbreview.com/topic.php?t=1751&c=10&d=

Sam Kurshan   |April.13.2008 From the Vallejo Studying CAlFire Blog in the Half Moon Bay Review: My son is a CalFire Engineer who has worked in the cities Of Moreno Valley, Indo and Temecula in Riverside County, and now works in Napa, just three miles north of Vallejo. He works in a contracted city just like Half Moon Bay is becoming. I have had the pleasure to visit him and see all of the fire stations that he has worked. Despite being my son, I can say honestly, that the CalFire firefighters that I have met are very good people who are honest, ethical and , intelligent. I would be happy to have any of them here in Half Moon Bay serving our town. As an avid reader, I have followed the news daily, in all of the cities that my son has worked, including Napa. To ease your fears, I have never read a single comment or concern regarding the fire stations operated by CalFire. Certainly, I have never read the constant stream of fire drama that occurs here. As far as Vallejo, my son says that they already depend on CalFire. The Vallejo firefighters go to Napa to for their hazardous chemical emergency response team for training. Evidently, Vallejo does not have the capability of responding to hazardous chemical emergencies, so they depend on the chemical truck from Napa. Randall, a resident of Half Moon Bay, 6 hours ago

John K   |April.13.2008 CONTRACT EXTENSION... As I understand the deal, the next one year extension of the current unaffordable gold plated safety contracts hinges upon the outcome of The Negotiations. Deadline 22 April. Otherwise no contract extension? Mr. Tanner gave it a 5 percent chance and Mr. Whittom said "very, very difficult, but it can be done." But what were the conditions that define whether or not another contract extension goes into effect? The City and the employee unions must arrive at a Super Duper Winning Budget Plan that includes reserves and gets Vallejo to FY-2012 without a deficit? Anything else to make it preferable to Chapter 9? Can I dream of a deal that provides full funding for CBOs, public works, and reopening of closed fire stations? A Dream Deal that will also put more police on patrol in Vallejo?

Firebug   |April.13.2008 Onfire: I concurr it's NBR, he also missed Silas point which was that in 2005 city tax revenues did not exceed the contract costs. As was plainly put by Doug in 2007 safety expenses exceeded tax revenues. So with that knowledge why would the fab four and davis vote for a contract exension that is perfectly clear this city cannot afford? Details on April 22 I suspect another delaying tactic.

Sam Kurshan   |April.12.2008 Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

Sam Kurshan   |April.12.2008 This isn't a perfect world we live in. We try to communicate without insulting people, but sometimes, I for one say the hell with that. With me this happens when my own personal b.s. meter goes off. You've seen it occur at Councul meetings and now you have seen it occur here. There is no difference. My diplomacy stops and my go take a flying f..k for yourself attitude takes its place when sarcasm, antagonism and hostility cross my path. Otherwise I can guarantee that I will be civil to all. For those of you who have ultimately judged me as a hot headed lunatic, I have just explained my self to you with no apology's offered. If I encounter similar situations I will respond accordingly, which in other words is the EXACT SAME WAY!

On Fire   |April.12.2008 Apparently NBR got tired of Vallejo Visitor and IAFF Abuse shutting his nonsense down so thought he's try his stuff over here. T T T H!

On Fire   |April.12.2008 NBR, give it up, I don't want to play anymore. Your ongoing "post what they said" and then weak attempt to challenge what was said is boring. Snooooorrrrrriinnnggg! Maybe you and the pd fan club member can argue with each other about what ever till your fingers get tired.

Sam Kurshan   |April.12.2008 Dialogue Monitor, If I wasn't already watching my language, I wouldn't have substituted the periods in my words for the letters I would like to have put in their place!

Dialog Monitor   |April.12.2008 Geeeze can we have everyone watch their language on this site? Without our having to remind you?

Sam Kurshan   |April.12.2008 Go have another beer and go back to the T.H. blog where you belong.

On Fire   |April.12.2008 And ano, we know that you are nbr trying to disguise yourself. Your pointless argumentive style that does nothing but serve as entertainment for only you is a dead give away. Gobber, you too can go back to the times horrid blogs where more trolls like yourself can be in like company.

Sam Kurshan   |April.12.2008 Well in that case lets make a public spectacle of them. How about erecting a stock at the entrance to City Hall. You know, the midieval kind where their head, hands and feet are separately locked into a hole of their own. Next to it can be a tub of rotten produce you can throw at them. Or how about a public dunking tank. Nope. How about a puplic whipping. Nope. How about we burn them at the stake. Nope. How about you blow it out you a.. already. You are one of those internet trolls who only lambaste people. Some trolls are spelling trolls, who only correct spelling, where some trolls like yourself love to analyze something to the point of ad nausea, but offer no alternative solution of your own. So f...ing what if they voted for the extension? who f...ing cares. It's like beating a dead horse. The point is now they are doing everything humanly possible to correct the situation. What the f..k are you doing but bitching, finger pointing and placing blame?

overpaid   |April.12.2008 In 2003, the council was told by staff That the contract extension could be managed. Why? hard to say. A little crazy, a little creative with is projections, a little afraid of the unions. Current CFO is telling truth, and unions want him fired. just like they want the CM fired...typical shoot the messenger behavior. IMO too much reliance on management staff, and for police and fire and even PW, management is there because the union lets them be there. Unions run this town, and all the staff know it. It's only recently that the citizens know it. If you don't sing the party line, your job is much harder. True, a council person with a financial background might have concluded that the numbers were unrealistic, but typically, they rely on staff.

Anonymous   |April.12.2008 "The last extension was put together by Guilliani (the next vote)and again, your narrow focus has missed the point. The contracts and the extensions have without fail, been pushed and supported by the funded majority." Funded majority????? Cloutier, Pearsall, Schively, Intitnoli. Isn't 4 out of 7 a majority? These were funded by the unions?

On Fire   |April.12.2008 Ano, it was Martinez that started the ball rolling for the long line of sweet deals for the unions and contract extensions. The last extension was put together by Guilliani (the next vote)and again, your narrow focus has missed the point. The contracts and the extensions have without fail, been pushed and supported by the funded majority. So to try and point to only two people that were on council is avoiding the bigger issue of the funded majority's part in this fiscal fiasco. Robert you are correct about Ms. Pitts role and there were many people at the budget meetings asking that council not sign yet again another extension. Even if the minority vote would have been against the extension, it would have stil passed by the funded majority. Since it has been the funded majority that has always made the decisions, then there is a larger portion of the blame for budget issues goes to them. The ones who received support, endorsement and funds from the unions. Beyond that, the chamber of commerce and people that voted for the funded four also share blame. So with the move to change the city charter in regards to the binding arbitration clause, the control over the budget will shift back to the city, and accountability back to Council. Then we shall see who is for the people, and who is for the henketttes. The funded majority will no longer be able to hide behind the city charter when making decisions on the budget. And there have been far too many council members that have made faulty decisions because the pay back had become due, or they owed favors to their 'good old boys' supporters. But they will never admit to making those bad judgement calls. So I find those people are more contemptable, as they took action while lying about their true motivations.

Anonymous   |April.12.2008 Sam: "For the record, Cloutier and Schively have admitted they were wrong to have approved these contract extensions." Is that like admitting they believe they were incompetent? Problem with that is knowing your incompetent doesn't change the fact that you are. Knowing, that you own that shortcoming, does not stop you from continuing to act in said manner.

Sam Kurshan   |April.12.2008 And I suspect you are some troll in the form of an 1186 member or supporter. Proof being you have said nothing here one way or another.

GOBStopper   |April.12.2008 I suspect you need your own blog.

Sam Kurshan   |April.12.2008 IMY, at this point in time, why are we anal izing to death whose fault this is? We already know the answer. It is the long time greed and political strangle hold Henke and 1186 has had on our City Council and Chamber of Commerce. We should be focusing all of our energy on a solution. Yeah its great to let off steam (I should know that first hand) But now its time to pull together like never before and steam roller over the Henke machine with a more powerful, well oiled one of our own. That machine right now should be doing everything humanly possible to help the people who have organized the campaign to remove binding arbitration from our City Charter. I have heard that 8000 signatures will be needed by some time in June. As soon as more information becomes available from this group, I urge everyone to devote every last ounce of time and energy you possess toward this effort.

Sam Kurshan   |April.12.2008 Analmouse said: "Two of he incompetents failed in a re election bid and somebody was fooled enough to bring back a member that voted to pass the criminal/incompetent contract." Local 1186 had unlimited resources and outside help from its international union's political people, in putting together a propaganda campaign aimed at the consciences of the old timers of Vallejo. A combination guilt trip about their loyalty to our "local heroes" and a lie about their safety being compromised if the City prevailed in its efforts against them. The stubborn and easily mislead old timers bought it hook line and sinker. Only now that bankruptcy is about to occur are these people coming out of their comas to realize we are not their enemies and that wee will all be affected by the outcome. Only now are they finally beginning to listen to us and realize they were wrong. I only hope its not too late.

Sam Kurshan   |April.12.2008 Robert, Of course Pitts told people that b.s. She was another hand puppet of Henke's. For the record, Cloutier and Schively have admitted they were wrong to have approved these contract extensions. Based upon that realizationms. Schively is doing evreything possible to correct that mistake, unlike the hand puppets of Henke, Barbie, Soggy, Hangagain and Weasalson. The new comers to Vallejo are the biggest threat to the Henke Die Nasty. Every other post on the Times Hairball is from a good ole boy who has been brain washed by the Henke propaganda machine, telling the new comers to go back to where they came from. Only now are some of them finally beginning to realize we all want the same thing. A better quality of life for ours selves at a lesser expense to the quality of the rest of our city services and that the only way to have this occur is to negotiate new contracts with the Fire Fighters (highly unlikely) or to replace them with CalFire, (A likely possibility)especially if the City declares bankruptcy.

Anonymous   |April.12.2008 On Fire: "The economy was much different when the then city manager, David Martinez recommended contract extensions." WRONGO! It was Otto Gulianni that negotiated the last "extension" that was signed by Bartee, Davis, Gary (boyz gone wild) Cloutier, Tony (Victor Willis) Pearsall, Schively, Intintoli. Incompetent or criminal? Two of he incompetents failed in a re election bid and somebody was fooled enough to bring back a member that voted to pass the criminal/incompetent contract.

Robert Schussel   |April.12.2008 On Fire --I remember Residents begging City Council not to extend the Contract. Even in 2003 people knew the consequences of giving the Unions what they wanted. And Pam Pittts kept telling everyone how money was available--it was just being hidden. The biggest threat to the Unions are the the newer residences who are not falling for all of the propaganda that Vallejo would go to Hell if the Unions weren't given what they asked for. I can only speak for myself but within a few months of moving to Vallejo I became aware of the financical problems the City had. For anyone in power to say they didn't know what was going on is either lying or out of touch with reality.

Sam Kurshan   |April.12.2008 I suspect you're being an a..hole and don't know jack!

GOBStopper   |April.12.2008 I suspect a pebcak error.. Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard

Sam Kurshan   |April.12.2008 That's what I ended up doing.

Suggestion   |April.12.2008 Sam it would take less energy to simply post the link to the article and everyone can go to that site to read it.

On Fire   |April.12.2008 Ano only want's to paint the picture the way ano has perceived it to be. The economy was much different when the then city manager, David Martinez recommended contract extensions. The vote after that was based on henke's threat of binding arbitration and the false hope of their "give backs" saving the city. Which doesn't make the decision any more acceptable, but it was based on what they felt was the best information they were provided at that time. But you see, it was the funded majority that never flinched at the thought of giving the henkettes everything they wanted and more. The funded majority who was and has been for over twenty years, endorsed, funded and supported by the unions. If there is any review needed for what happened back then, maybe it would be how the unions influence helped drive the city into bankruptcy. This only stresses the need for the ciy to provide the "whole Picture" the next time they are looking at contracts. The whole picture would include benefits, funded and unfunded, and perks when reviewing salaries and comparisons of other cities. The list of cities in that comparison should no longer include cities that have a totally different revenue base than Vallejo. Criminal speaks more toward the extortion and misuse of public funds used for UBL'ing and the union's influence over city council members.

Sam Kurshan   |April.12.2008 Forget it Marc you need to fix the bugs here! If you want o read the article go to the San Mateo Times web site: http://www.insidebayarea.com/search/ci_8902339?IADID=Search-www.insidebayarea.com-www.insidebayarea.com

Sam Kurshan   |April.12.2008 Court deals blow to coastside firefighters Board of directors had right to contract with Cal Fire, judge rules By Aaron Kinney, STAFF WRITER Article Created: 04/12/2008 02:372 AM PDT HALF MOON BAY

Sam Kurshan   |April.12.2008 HALF MOON BAY

Sam Kurshan   |April.12.2008 The article below in Todays San Mateo Times,contains the latest official statements concerning: Court deals blow to coastside firefighters Board of directors had right to contract with Cal Fire, judge rules By Aaron Kinney, STAFF WRITER Article Created: 04/12/2008 02:372 AM PDT HALF MOON BAY

Anonymous   |April.12.2008 "The key is premeditation." "Premeditation" and incompetence have nothing to do with one another .... at least in this case.

Anonymous   |April.12.2008 The question was asked " ..... was it criminal for our city leaders to extend a contract we clearly can't afford or is total incompetence?" Silas answered: "But the tax revenue back then then exceeded the cost of safety services then????" That sounds like incompetence if they didn't know costs exceeded revenues and criminal if they did. The current council hasn't extended anything. The extension will or will not come on April 22. So after April 22 you can ask that question of the current council. I think you unfairly limited the answers. There may be more choices other than criminal and incompetence depending on the mediation outcome. You can your two choices for answers either way for the past council?

Glass Half Empty   |April.12.2008 Annony, the difference between the 2003 Council vote to extend the contracts and last month's was that the Funded Four and Osby knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that the city can't pay for the contracts. In 2003 the city manager and staff were still playing the "if you hold your nose and make this deal with the unions, we'll escape the pain of severe budget cuts" game with everyone. The key is premeditation. Did the 2003 Council make their decision while being told by staff that the City couldn't afford it? No. Were the Funded Four and Osby told plainly last month the City couldn't afford the contracts? Yes. But they did it anyway. Why? We all know where the money trail leads.

SIlas Barnabe   |April.12.2008 But the tax revenue back then then exceeded the cost of safety services then???? Today with clear knowledge that safety expenses exceed our tax revenues do yopu suppose it is criminal behavior or complete incompetence that Hannigan, Wilson, Sunga, Davis and Bartee voted to extend the overpriced safety contracts?

Anonymous   |April.12.2008 " ..... was it criminal for our city leaders to extend a contract we clearly can't afford or is total incompetence?" " I was thinking for the vote last March where Davis, Hannigan, Wilson, Sunga, and Bartee voted to extend the contracts" Oh, my mistake. I was thinking of the Pearsal/Schively ect... vote and the recommended passing of the extension by Schively's close friend and at that time city mgr Otto Guilliani. My bad!

J.M   |April.12.2008 "City of Hope,Prosperity & so much Potential" If Henke's Team stopped being so selfish! I want, I want,I want. The unions will not be able to win if the Majority demands positive change & reform. I don't believe there is anyone out there who does not appreciate the Careers of Police & Firefighters. It's very simple to understand, but to bring change is like hitting a brick wall(the type which has been built to withstand centuries). Fortunately a more powerful force will come along & you guessed it, the brick wall will fall & it's prisoners will be free to move forward with positive change! Unfortunately everyone(including myself, a tax payer) will feel the effects as a whole in our daily lives. As a former State Trooper, my condolences & deepest regards go to family, friends & loved ones who have had fallen officers. It is really tramatic!! The fallen officers mentioned above were victims back in 1966 & 2000. Being a fairly new resident & homeowner in Vallejo, you made it sound as if it happend yesterday. I believe Sept. 11 really paved the way for unions to take advantage of our City. Enough is enough already Kurt!!

Osbys neighbor   |April.12.2008 City of Gloom Your attitude is similar to those who participated in the sub prime melt down. Everybody thought they could spend like crazy because the Money was always coming in. Greed(Unions,Chamber of Commerce)incompetence (City Council,former Mayors and City Managers) and a naive Public lead to Vallejos finanical downfall. Yes,Public Safety will suffer. However this is because the wages and benefits of these individuals are too high.If wages( total compensation)were more realistic we could hire enough people. In the private sector most people have to fund their own 401K and are allowed to contribute a maximium of 15% of their wages. From what I can see most City Employees are getting the eqivalent of 25% to 27% of their wages being put away . Even if the fireman have to contribute 9% to PERS the city is forking over an additional 16%. The poorest City in Solano county paid the richest benefits--how can you justify that. And Cities who pay less are just as safe etc.I am on a budget are you? Stop telling us how wonderful you and your Brethen are. You are suspose to protect us ,not bring the City to finanical ruin.

Sam Kurshan   |April.12.2008 Silas, Try downloading the free Mozilla Firefox internet browser. I dumped my I.E.7 in favor of it and have been glad I did evr since.

Silas Barnabe   |April.12.2008 Doug, You are right same errors (I use IE7 with no addons) 26.7 million for fire and about 48 million for police. Nearly the same money for fire yet we only fund 60 percent of the staff. To Anon I was thinking for the vote last March where Davis, Hannigan, Wilson, Sunga, and Bartee voted to extend the contracts and I don't beleive the city mgr was asked his opinion other than giving it a 5 percent chance to work.

Sam Kurshan   |April.12.2008 City of Gloom, We honor the fallen Officers and always will. As far a your earlier post, I think you'd better call the fire department. You were playing the fiddle so hard I smell smoke. Ah that old Kurt Henke album "Propaganda". Song number 13: "Guilt Trip Filled with Fear." Sorry the needle broke on my old record player.

Anonymous   |April.12.2008 " ..... was it criminal for our city leaders to extend a contract we clearly can't afford or is total incompetence?" Good question for those that voted for it and the city mgr. that recommended it. If someone voted for it and a 'yes' voted extended their outrageous retirement package, would that be a conflict of interest?

Doug   |April.12.2008 Silas, a technical question. Are you posting with Internet Explorer and do you have any language packs installed? Sounds silly I know but your posts seem to suffer a similar problem to mine where the dollar sign character is causing problemos.

Silas Barnabe   |April.12.2008 Doug, I went here http://www.hayward-ca.gov/webware/Default.aspx?Message=1184&t=-1 then clicked on general fund Hayward Police is $48,000,000 and fire is $26,760,000 notice the huge difference in staffing on the nest page 146 in fire and 311 in police. It is interesting that vallejo is the only city you have found thus far where the cost of safety servies exceeds tax revenues with that in mind is was it criminal for our city leaders to extend a contract we clearly can't afford or is total incompetence?

The City of Gloom   |April.12.2008 April 12, 2000 at about 1430 hrs E.O.W. I would also like to let you vallejoans know that today was the day that Officer Jeff Azuar #371 gave up his life for people like you. I would all like to remind you that officer's Easson and Thacker also paid that ultimate price for you citizens in the month of April. We truly miss you guys and we think of you often....may you all R.I.P. Thanks!

The City of Gloom   |April.12.2008 You can't wait until CalFire takes over? You think response times are slow now...you have not seen anything yet. April 22...you can't wait for that day so the city can file BK? This city is screwed up because of people like you and your mentality. Why don't you run for council nest time....you will fit right in with the rest of them. I am so glad I don't live in v-town anymore and I am embarrassed to say I even work in this city.. I love my job, but this city is a joke right now. Just rememebr when you cut these services, police and fire might lose some $$$$, but most of them will make up the loss in O.T. and you as a citizen will be the one that truly suffers. It is a fact that hwen police just drive through their beats they are deterring criminal activity, but with fewer cops on the street this city's crime rate will surely rise soon. Lets see....if the best time to get to someone who needs emergency medical care is 4-6 minutes and the fire response times are some where around 7 minutes...hmmmm..who is the real loser? Please don't cry becuase of people like you your services will be cut and you will get what you truly have asked for. A reduction in pay and services will mean...reduction in quailty type employees and response times and that is just the plain truth...like it or not. I don't personnaly care how much you raise my taxes as long as you truly put more police and fire on the street then go for it. I live in Fairifled and if I lived in v-town I would feel the same way. So for police and fire, please keep up the good work and just rememeber there are numerous people that love and support you no matter how bad the times are. You folks in v-town better really think hard and you all sure as hell better get back in the mind stes of neighborhood watches. There is no way that police will have alot of time to just cruise the beat becuase of calls for servcie and lack of man power. If you ytuly knew how many police were on thet streets at times you would not be happy. The department should probably have at least 20 more cops on the street just to be up to standards for the size of the city. Keep you lights on...look out your windows often and call to report suspicious activity, but remember you may get a recording but, they will call you back within 24-72 hrs....hmmmm...is this really what you want from your police department. Good luck vallejo and god bless those police and fire.

Doug   |April.12.2008 Here is a Vallejo vs. Hayward comparison. The 2007 CAFR does not list (I could not find) a separate fire and police expense. Here again with Hayward, their tax revenue is greater than their safety services expense. Vallejo is the only city I have found so far where the this is not true. Vallejo CAFR 2007 Property taxes 23,812,446 Sales taxes ...12,517,648 Other taxes ...6,686,545 Utility taxes 12,746,862 Tot Tax Revenue 55,763,501 Fire service .. 25,238,098 Police service 38,050,873 Safety Services 63,288,971 Total General Fund expenses.. 83,178,534 Vallejo Demographics 2005 Median income.. 50,030 Population..... 117,483 Violent Crime.. 1,206 Land Area sq mi 30.20 .................................. Hayward CAFR 2007 Property taxes 24,687,960 Sales taxes ... 28,857,677 Other taxes ... 21,000,164 Tot Tax Revenue 74,545,801 Safety Services 71,167,746 Total General (minus Haywards GVRD) Fund expenses.. 99,321,257 Hayward Demographics 2005 Median income.. 51,177 Population..... 140,293 Violent Crime.. 776 Land Area sq mi 43.5

Doug   |April.12.2008 Silas, I was looking at those figures this morning and thinking about my spreadsheet calculator. With the additional overhead costs for an employee I would expect the overall cost of employment to become even more insensitive to the base hourly pay rate.

Silas Barnabe   |April.12.2008 Doug and Firebug, someone called "vallejo visitor" has done some interesting salary comparisons on the Times Herald blog http://www.topix.net/forum/source/vallejo-times-herald/TQF52O4PFAKQ203E9/p3

Sonic Toad   |April.11.2008 Sam, Can I have more information?

Sam Kurshan   |April.11.2008 This is a copy of my invitation to those posting in the "Vallejo studying CalFire" blog in the comments forum of the Half Moon Bay Review, to come and join us here in an exchange of ideas. "Here in Vallejo, as you well may know by now, we are on the verge (April 22) of having to declare bankruptcy, barring a miracle occurring during the secret negotiations taking place between the City and The Fire Fighters Union Local 1186. 1186 has maintained a strong hold on our City's budget for many years and as a result is the primary cause of our current financial situation. They have also bankrolled the campaigns of several of our current City Council members tilting the Council majority in their favor. Many of us in Vallejo have united in our effort to save our city. We communicate via a web site called the "Vallejo Independent Bulletin". I would like to invite you to visit the web site and join us in an exchange of ideas concerning this issue. You can do so by going to: ibvallejo.com Once there click on "Daily Scream" and post your comments by scrolling to the bottom of the page. We look forward to hearing from you. Sam Kurshan, a resident of a community outside of the area, 0 minutes ago

Sam Kurshan   |April.11.2008 If you go to The half Moon Bay Review web site: hmbreview.com and click on the fire fighter article, at the bottom is a link to comment. Someone in Half Moon Bay just posted a comment titled "Vallejo studying CalFire". To get there directly copy paste into your browsers address bar: http://talkabout.hmbreview.com/topic.php?t=1751&c=10&d= Our commenting there and establishing a dialogue would be a great way to network with people of like thinking as well as expanding out network.

Sam Kurshan   |April.11.2008 We in Vallejo are following this very closely and hail your victory! On April 22nd, barring an unforeseen miracle, Vallejo will announce its intenmtion to declare bankruptcy. We are waiting for the moment whn we can welcome Cal Fire with open arms. Sam Kurshan, a resident of a community outside of the area, 0 minutes ago

Sam Kurshan   |April.11.2008 Parties and Attorneys Mackintosh et al. v. Half Moon Bay Fire Protection District et al. Division 5 Case Number A118789 Party Attorney Mackintosh, Albyn Douglas : Plaintiff and Appellant Alan C. Davis Davis, Reno & Courtney 22 Battery Street - Suite 1000 San Francisco, CA 94111-5524 Duane Westlee Reno Davis & Reno 22 Battery Street - Suite 1000 San Francisco, CA 94111 Henretty, Shannon : Plaintiff and Appellant Will, Kristi : Plaintiff and Appellant Pemberton, Donald : Plaintiff and Appellant Hylton, Scott : Plaintiff and Appellant Cardosi, Steve : Plaintiff and Appellant Half Moon Bay Fire Protection District : Defendant and Respondent Jean B Savaree Aaronson Dickerson Cohn & Lanzone 939 Laurel Street - Suite D San Carlos, CA 94070 Burke, Gary : Defendant and Respondent Donovan, Jerry : Defendant and Respondent Eufusia, David : Defendant and Respondent Lees, Lane : Defendant and Respondent Silva, Bert : Defendant and Respondent Half Moon Bay Review : Other Attn: David F. Smydra Jr. P.O.Box 68 Half Moon Bay, CA 94019

Sam Kurshan   |April.11.2008 But we now know that the Appellate Court's decision WAS PUBLISHED!

Sam Kurshan   |April.11.2008 Here's anothe one with a familiar flavor: Bill Severs, CalFire or Local 2881 never sued our District. If Local 2881 has a beef, they can sue the State. We had so many lawsuits form Local 2400 and the Teamsters and Firefighters it's difficult to count them all. Look at the the Point Montara Superior Court ruling. The Point Montara Board chose a broad response to the lawsuit from Local 2400. The Judge ruled in that case that there was no right to a referendum vote. The HMB Board chose to defend themselves on the narrow issue of the referendum petitions being defective. That does not mean the HMB Board would not have got the same ruling the Point Montara Board did, had they tried. There is no right to a public vote here. This is a public safety organization that the Legislature gives the right exclusively to the Board to make the decision. If you don't like what the Board did over a year ago, your only recourse was to recall the Board members. Nobody beat the Firefighters. Local 2400 members threw their money away on these lawsuits and buying a minority position on the Coastside Board. This is all just sour grapes. Karma, This ruling is Karma. Learn to accept it. "Well looks like people that lie, cheat, and steel might have won..." The Appellate Judges just straightened out Local 2400's attorneys attempt to obfuscate the State election codes. Why do you think the Appellate Court ruling was unpublished? There was no precedent in this case, it was just a frivolous appeal from Local 2400's attorneys. (lie) Why did Local 2400 go to all this expense and effort to keep the poor Coastside from being "taken over by the state"?(lie) Was it about local control?(lie) Look at how they operate in all the other local cities. Local 2400's intent all along has been to keep control of the Coastside and jam more parcel taxes down the taxpayer's throats. (lie, cheat, steal).

Sam Kurshan   |April.11.2008 A sample comment from the HMB Review blog: Congratulations to the Coastside Fire Board in prevailing in their lawsuit. In reading the unanimous ruling, the judges made a point of emphasizing how open and deliberate the Board was with the CalFire Contract. It faulted the Firefighters for spinning their petition, neglecting to accurately reflect the work and public meetings the Boards undertook. "Read as a whole, the resolution presents a picture of a public agency acting carefully and prudently. The truncated version of the resolution set forth in the petitions, by contrast, paints an entirely different picture. It stated the Fire District approved a contract with CDF, but nothing more. A voter reading the truncated version might well question whether the Fire District had considered its decision fully, and whether the decision had been publicly vetted. On this record, we do not hesitate to conclude the version of the law in the petitions did not substantially comply with the law." The Firefighters spin on this has been unrelenting. Now, that The Superior Court and and The Appellate Panel unanimously have both said the petitions were defective and misleading. The citizens that signed the petitions were misinformed by the Firefighters and Local 2400. Now is not the time to cling to spin disproved by the courts. It is time to move forward with a contract signed over a year ago with CalFire, for all of Coastside Fire.

Sam Kurshan   |April.11.2008 Sorry, it's too large a document to post. Here is the link: http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/npopinions.cgi Then scroll down and click on: Apr 10 2008 A118789 [PDF] [DOC] Mackintosh v. Half Moon Bay Fire Protection Dist. CA1/5 filed 4/10/08 Detailed case information

Sam Kurshan   |April.11.2008 Appellants in this action are voters who contend the Half Moon Bay Fire Protection District (the Fire District) erred when it declined to hold a referendum on a resolution adopted by the Fire District

Firebug   |April.11.2008 Wow Sam looks like the FF union in other areas posts mean and rude comments

Sam Kurshan   |April.11.2008 (the Fire District) erred when it declined to hold a referendum on a resolution adopted by the Fire District

Sam Kurshan   |April.11.2008 Here's the entire Court of Appeals Decision: Filed 4/10/08 Mackintosh v. Half Moon Bay Fire Protection Dist. CA1/5 NOT TO BE PUBLISHED IN OFFICIAL REPORTS California Rules of Court, rule 8.1115(a), prohibits courts and parties from citing or relying on opinions not certified for publication or ordered published, except as specified by rule 8.1115(b). This opinion has not been certified for publication or ordered published for purposes of rule 8.1115. IN THE COURT OF APPEAL OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA FIRST APPELLATE DISTRICT DIVISION FIVE ALBYN DOUGLAS MACKINTOSH et al., Plaintiffs and Appellants, v. HALF MOON BAY FIRE PROTECTION DISTRICT et al., Defendants and Respondents. A118789 (San Mateo County Super. Ct. No. 461855) Appellants in this action are voters who contend the Half Moon Bay Fire Protection District (the Fire District) erred when it declined to hold a referendum on a resolution adopted by the Fire District

Sam Kurshan   |April.11.2008 Oops. here is the link: http://talkabout.hmbreview.com/topic.php?t=1744&c=7&d=

Sam Kurshan   |April.11.2008 The link below (copy paste into your browsers address bar) is from the blog comments area for the Half Moon Bay review article posted above.

Firebug   |April.11.2008 The evolution of 1186'er watering holes. many many moons ago it was rumored the 1186'ers went to a blue collar bar called George's Den, then as their contracts got more lucrative they had been sighted in the old Water Barge and the Front Room, with their latest payraises they have upped the ante even more for Ristorante Baci. But these of course are all just rumors of course

Wall Flower   |April.11.2008 Firebug, Where is 1186's favorite watering hole? I would love to be there to watch the festivities.

2nd Verse Same As the 1st   |April.11.2008 OK Folks, follow the bouncing check and sing along to the tune of Bye Bye Birdie. Pack your hoses and your hats, fire trucks, pay checks fat, Bye Bye Henke. You brought our city to its knees, frivolous law suits, legal fees, Bye Bye Henke. I don't care if my house becomes basted, its not worth the money being wasted. Pack up Riley's locker too, he bit of more than he could chew. Henke Bye Bye, Henke Bye Bye.

Here's the entire article   |April.11.2008 From The Half Moon Bay Review Homepage � News > Breaking News Fire district wins CalFire suit By David F. Smydra Jr. [ david@hmbreview.com ] Published/Last Modified on Thursday, Apr 10, 2008 - 04:470 pm PDT A gambit by local firefighters to block a contract between the Coastside Fire Protection District and the state agency CalFire has failed. An online update to the Web site for the 1st District Court of Appeals in San Francisco Thursday afternoon shows that an opinion has been filed in the case. The update reads, in total: "The order is affirmed. The previously issued writ of supersedeas shall be dissolved upon the finality of this decision as to this court." The complete opinion is not yet posted on the site. * An attorney in the case confirmed that the update appears to indicate that the union chapter for local firefighters, Local 2400, has lost its appeal to the San Francisco court. The attorney declined further comment, however, until given an opportunity to read the opinion. The "order" refers to the original ruling in San Mateo County Superior Court last summer that the Coastside Fire Protection District was within its rights to deny a petition organized by firefighters that was designed to block the contract. Local 2400 then appealed the decision, securing a "writ of supersedeas" on the pending contract - a move that effectively served as a postponement of the contract until the case was resolved. With the writ dissolved, the district would appear free to put the CalFire contract in effect.

Firebug   |April.11.2008 Too funny Onfire The minute Henke's appeal is thrown out a group of us will be going to 1186's favorite watering holes and watch them cry in their booze.

On Fire   |April.11.2008 Someone posted this on the times horrid blog. Apparently the all mighty Alan Davis and his merry band of henkettes in Half Moon Bay have lost their battle to block Cal Fire from coming in and replacing the union boys. http://www.hmbreview.com/articles/2008/04/10/news/breaking_news/doc47fea6a9a8699611815742.txt

On Fire   |April.11.2008 The article in the CC times a little while back talked about the "total wage picture" being considered when contracts are negotiated. This included the need to show all of the extra "enhancements" as well as health benefits, etc. that need to be factored in and considered when the Council Members are looking at comparisons to other cities. The arguement that comes up so many times with both the public and the henkettes, always tries to have the public refocus on base pay, which is part of the smoke and mirrors to divert attention away from the real numbers. Since many cities are now looking at budget problems, the focus now is to review these "real" numbers when considering a budget. The unfunded benefits are now being addressed and should be factored into what the Council looks at when negotiating contracts. It fact that these numbers are ususally glossed over, it makes it real easy for Council to approve increases and not address the total impact to a General Fund. The fact that the ff's have 11 seperate "enhancements" and the police dept has 7, all add up to that bigger picture. By excluding these factors, the public is tricked into thinking the base pay is the only thing that should be considered when considering increases. The unions have used this method to "dumb down" the public and gain support for these spiraling costs.

On Fire   |April.11.2008 Thanks for all of the salary stats and comparisons. I also have questioned why other cities pay more for safety services when they seem to have the same variables for the job. When you did your comparisons for Fairfield, did the fact that they use a reserve force for the fire dept. have anything to do with that city paying less for the service? Is there a seperate pay scale for the reserve employees? It would appear that in some cities, the only reason to justify the higher cost for safety services is be how much the unions have control over their policy makers and their influence over the citizen's.

NBR   |April.11.2008 Anonymous complains: "Then there is education pay - two levels based on 2 years or 4 years, bi-lingual pay, hazardous materials pay, emt pay, paramedic pay, longevity pay - 2 levels, with 5% extra for each of these minimum From the Fairfield FF MOU/Benefits: EMT INCENTIVE: City pays 2.5% of base salary to eligible employees with EMT-I certification. PARAMEDIC PAY: City Pays 10% of top step for Firefighters, 7.5% of actual step for Fire Engineers and 5% of actual step for Fire Captains. PRECEPTOR PAY: Paramedics shall receive $20 per shift for precepting an EMT-P trainee HOLIDAY PAY: Employees who work in positions that require reporting to work on holidays are eligible to receive holiday pay at the rate of an additional 6% of actual salary. EDUCATIONAL INCENTIVE: Employees are eligible for incentive pays of 2.5-5%, with appropriate verification of certificates and education. Total maximum incentive pay is 7.5%. (Vallejo does not have this) 457 PLAN: City contributes $85 per month towards a City-offered deferred savings account selected by the employee (Firefighters and Fire Engineers Only). Employee contribution is optional. Employee may choose from three (3) 457 plans. Fire Captains may also elect to contribute to this plan (no City contribution). There is educational incentive pay: 1.5% - 7.5% Cannot find any bi-lingual or longevity, however, that applies to about 10%(?) of the FD work force for a fractional cost to the GF (.0001%)?

Firebug   |April.11.2008 It is interesting, most of the mandatory overtime came from mandatory staffing. This was covered fairly well in the CityGate report. Add in medical and the 30 something percent contribution for retirement employee pays 9 percent city is on the hook for the 20 some percent and it looks like it costs about $170,000 per year to hire a firefighter.

Doug   |April.11.2008 Firebug, good points all and Im really just thinking out loud here. The thing I am looking for is some correlation between the safety costs and other variables in a community. One issue that concerns me is the hourly pay rate. After building a spreadsheet model of the Vallejo firefighters W2 pay, working backwards to enter regular and overtime hours, making some assumptions, I have a calculator where I can move the base hourly rate up and down by whatever percentage. What I see is the total labor cost is somewhat insensitive to the base wage because there is so much overtime. According to my imprecise calculations, a 6 percent base wage decrease across the FF population only saves about 1 million dollars a year. 30 percent reduction about 5 million. If we could normalize the base hourly rates across all the bay area cities, recalculate the costs, then the question would become, why are some cities more costly to provide safety services for than others? Thats what I want to figure out (just for fun). Hayward next.

Firebug   |April.11.2008 Doug, If crime statistics are important why didn't you do the Hayward comparison? Also looking at the CAFR why wouild any comptetent Council member agree to extend contracts with the knowledge of such revenue? It appears that only Gomes and Shively have their heads screwed on correctly.

John K   |April.11.2008 What a cheerful tune... lemme toss a coin into Joe's tip jar!

Sing along with Joe   |April.10.2008 OK Folks, follow the bouncing check and sing along to the tune of Bye Bye Birdie. Pack your hoses and your hats, fire trucks, pay checks fat, Bye Bye Henke. You brought our city to its knees, frivolous law suits, legal fees, Bye Bye Henke. I don't care if my house becomes basted, its not worth the money being wasted. Pack up Riley's locker too, he bit of more than he could chew. Henke Bye Bye, Henke Bye Bye.

Anonymous   |April.10.2008 It is 8.45% and that is BASE. There are only about 33 firefighters, the other approximately 66 are Engineers, Captains, etc. Then there is education pay - two levels based on 2 years or 4 years, bi-lingual pay, hazardous materials pay, emt pay, paramedic pay, longevity pay - 2 levels, with 5% extra for each of these minimum, it doesn't take long to add up to 30% of your base pay. This info is freely available via the COV HR site which will direct you to the IEDA site. They get 4 hours extra pay if they are relieved 15 minutes late, yet they don't need reviews?

NBR   |April.10.2008 Fairfield base hourly FF salary = $24.14 Vallejo base hourly FF salary = $25.88 advantage Vallejo +6% Vallejo Fire budget $25,238,098 If Vallejo lowered the payroll to FF hourly rate = approximate savings of 1,500,000 (the projected deficit next year is 13,000,000?) Didn't they (FD) just give back 6.5% in raises and lowered the minimum staffing (and therefore the daily payroll) by 25%? and according to Mike Woodson: "If cities such as Berkeley, Oakland and even Fairfield can not afford to pay the salaries we are paying," Hmmmmm and extra 6% would send Fairfield spiraling into bankruptcy? and he goes on to say: ".... contracts with our employees to get so bloated and out of hand" So, 6% above Fairfield makes Vallejo "bloated" and "out of hand"? 6% ought to be easy to fix.

Doug   |April.10.2008 Here is a Vallejo vs. Fairfield comparison. There is no doubt about it, Fairfield runs a lean fire department. I actually dont understand how they pay so little for fire service unless the response times are much longer than ours. My demographic source also has 35.9 square miles for Fairfield yet they run a smaller number of fire stations, personnel and trucks. Could be the demo data is bad or the air base is figured in the measurement some how. One thing I notice with both Richmond and Fairfield, the tax revenue is more than safety service expense but not so in Vallejo. Vallejo CAFR 2007 Property taxes 23,812,446 Sales taxes ...12,517,648 Other taxes ...6,686,545 Utility taxes 12,746,862 Tot Tax Revenue 55,763,501 Fire service .. 25,238,098 Police service 38,050,873 Safety Services 63,288,971 Total General Fund expenses.. 83,178,534 Vallejo Demographics 2005 Median income.. 50,030 Population..... 117,483 Violent Crime.. 1,206 Land Area sq mi 30.20 .................................. Fairfield CAFR 2007 Property taxes 12,152,903 Taxes ........ 30,296,727 Tot Tax Revenue 42,449,630 Fire service .. 11,548,753 Police service 24,982,253 Safety Services 36,531,006 Total General Fund expenses.. 63,604,000 Fairfield Demographics 2005 Median income.. 51,151 Population..... 104,476 Violent Crime.. 654 Land Area sq mi 35.9

Sick in the tummy   |April.10.2008 Please can Riley and his mustache be removed from the front page? That smirk makes me throw up in my mouth a little each time I visit.

Doug   |April.10.2008 Yes, can do Rick but I feel Fairfield is a poor comparable to Vallejo. I think the crime rate is a key variable when comparing safety services and Vallejo and Fairfield are a poor match in that regard. Fairfields more modern street layout also make that city more efficient for fire transit times.

rick mariani   |April.10.2008 doug now do one comparing vallejo to fairfield right up the road, same county.

Anonymous   |April.10.2008 Portantino's endorsements include: http://www.portantinoforassembly.com/endorsements.php -Association for Los Angeles Deputy Sheriffs -California Police Chiefs Association -CDF Firefighters -Los Angeles County Firefighters, Local 1014 -Peace Officers Research Association of California -United Firefighters Los Angeles, Local 112 -Association for Los Angeles Deputy Sheriffs -California Police Chiefs Association -CDF Firefighters Faculty Association of California Community Colleges

Doug   |April.10.2008 My dumd old computer is playing tricks again. Let me take a Mulligan and try once more Vallejo CAFR 2007 Property taxes 23,812,446 Sales taxes ...12,517,648 Other taxes ...6,686,545 Utility taxes 12,746,862 Tot Tax Revenue 55,763,501 Safety Services 63,288,971 Total General Fund expenses.. 83,178,534 Vallejo Demographics 2005 Median income.. 50,030 Population..... 117,483 Violent Crime.. 1,206 Land Area sq mi 30.20 ........................... Richmond CAFR 2007 Property taxes 33,069,812.00 Sales taxes ... 28,217,895 Other taxes ... 11,517,437 Utility taxes 27,007,410 Tot Tax Revenue 72,805,144 Safety Services 65,989,536.00 Total General (after removing Richmond's GVRD) Fund expenses.. 88,931,719.00 Richmond Demographics 2005 Median income.. 44,210.00 Population..... 102,186.00 Violent Crime.. 1,224.00 Land Area sq mi 29.70

Firebug   |April.10.2008 Doug, Many of your numebrs didn't come through, if you recall Richmond was close to bankruptcy a few years ago. Another telling comparison is looking at what the City of Hayward spends on Fire Services it is as much as Vallejo and Richmond but with 1/3 more personnel. There weren't any opening in Richmond, but Hayward said they would take the potentially laid of EMT from Vallejo...none of them accepted...I wonder why.

Doug   |April.10.2008 Here is a revealing comparison of Vallejo and Richmond. The two cities are a close match in many ways but Richmond out performs us in tax collection. This is interesting to me; where is the big disparity coming from? Vallejo CAFR 2007 Property taxes $23,812,446.00 Sales taxes ...$12,517,648.00 Other taxes ...$6,686,545.00 Utility taxes $12,746,862.00 Tot Tax Revenue $55,763,501.00 Safety Services $63,288,971.00 Total General Fund expenses.. $83,178,534.00 Vallejo Demographics 2005 Median income.. $50,030.00 Population..... 117,483.00 Violent Crime.. 1,206.00 Land Area sq mi 30.20 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Richmond CAFR 2007 Property taxes $33,069,812.00 Sales taxes ... $28,217,895.00 Other taxes ... $11,517,437.00 Utility taxes $27,007,410.00 Tot Tax Revenue $72,805,144.00 Safety Services $65,989,536.00 Total General (after removing Richmonds GVRD) Fund expenses.. $88,931,719.00 Richmond Demographics 2005 Median income.. $44,210.00 Population..... 102,186.00 Violent Crime.. 1,224.00 Land Area sq mi 29.70

Anonymous   |April.10.2008 It's ironic isn't it... Years ago people worked for City, State or Federal Government, knowing that the pay would not be that of the private sector, however they knew that the benefits and retirement would make up for the lack of pay. Now "Public Servants" earn more than the private sector, and benefits and retirement packages are lavish private sector only dreams of such "lush" retirement packages. Solano County is the most reasonable County to live in the Bay Area, the City of VAllejo is the most reasonable City in Solano County in which to live. Thus, we should pay at a scale that reflects our Counties and City's economy, not the economies of other cities. Public servants would be able to afford a nice 4/2 house in Vallejo,or a shack in Marin or Napa County. Its not our responsibilty to outfit out of town public servents with luxurious homes in other more expensive cities, and park a luxury auto in the driveway. We can not dictate where city works can live, but a salary reflective of the "mean" of the city or county certainly would. The saying "you spend what you make" is very true. When you have already spent what you earn, its hard to "un ring the bell." It becomes a lifestyle...

SIlas Barnabe   |April.09.2008 I found a few more articles on this including the one from Firebug http://www.contracostatimes.com/opinion/ci_8853851 http://www.mercurynews.com/alamedacounty/ci_8848627 http://www.sacbee.com/110/story/847552 Three major news papers oppose this bill, I read it as well and agree with Onfire that it wouldn't cover what VIB posted;however, perhaps these seasoned news organizations remember our legislators last minute deals and amendments like our very own Ferry deal.

carol   |April.09.2008 sorry about my screwy post.... I hope the bill doesn't past. My point is...the IJ is loyal to their readers unlike the TH. Loyal enough to fight this disclosure in Court. I sent this article to TH commenting about their loyality to their readers.

On Fire   |April.09.2008 I pulled up AB1855 from the website and from the face of it, it covers public safety officers: investigations and interrogations, and goes into disclosure of safety officers that are under investigation, so if it includes disclosure of salaries, I didn't see it. Does anyone have any additional information on this bill? It would be interesting to see who fianced Anthony's bid for office.

Firebug   |April.09.2008 Carol- Those are court decisions, AB 1855 will actually try to circumvent those decisions through the legislative process.

carol   |April.09.2008 the rest of article. Brook said the union has no plans to appeal Friday's appeals court ruling because the state Supreme Court has made its position clear. County Counsel Patrick Faulkner said he wasn't surprised by the appeals court decision and said the county is waiting for Marin Superior Court Judge Lynn Duryee to lift the local court's ruling that sided with the union and blocked release of employee-specific payroll information. The latest ruling "comports with the action the board took to release the salary information," Faulkner said, referring to the county supervisors' 2006 vote. Peter Scheer, executive director of the San Rafael-based California First Amendment Coalition, noted the appeals court ruling encompasses all county workers. Last year's Supreme Court decision applied to workers earning $100,000 or more per year. The latest ruling is a significant victory for the public's right to know, he said. It makes it clear that public payrolls are public "for all employees, not limited to employees who are highly paid."

carol   |April.09.2008 LATEST LEGESILATION: Recent art in the Marin IJ: note county workers include sheriff and county fire departments County payroll is public record, court rules Brad Breithaupt Article Launched: 03/04/2008 12:12:58 AM PST The Marin Civic Center payroll is public record and must be available to the public, a state appeals court ruled, ending a two-year legal fight between the Marin Independent Journal and a county employees union. In a ruling filed Friday, the 1st District Court of Appeal sided with the Independent Journal in its 2005 request for salaries of public employees. The ruling overturns a 2006 Marin Superior Court decision, made before last year's state Supreme Court ruling that laid the legal foundation guaranteeing the public's right to government payrolls. The three-judge panel's ruling clears legal obstacles that county brass said prevented them from releasing the information to the newspaper. "I think it's an important victory for the public's right to know, especially in Marin," said Roger Myers, the Independent Journal's attorney. He said the ruling sends a "loud and clear" message to public agencies in Marin that the public is entitled to know specifics about their workers' wages and benefits. "This confirms the IJ was right all along," he said. The justices also ruled that both the newspaper and the union representing county middle managers that succeeded in blocking public disclosure would pick up their own legal costs. Executive Editor Matthew Wilson said the legal fight cost the newspaper more than $60,000. "We are gratified that the appeals court agreed with us that Marin County taxpayers have the right to know what they pay Marin County's public ________________________________________ Advertisement ________________________________________ employees," he said. The appeals court quoted the state Supreme Court ruling last year that in a similar public pay case supported "the strong public interest in knowing how the government spends its money." The local legal battle started after the county changed its long-held policy that employee names, pay and positions are public record and refused to release that information to an Independent Journal reporter. The county had adopted a new policy in response to a state court ruling that suggested salary information of some public employees could not be publicly disclosed. That county policy still called for release of pay information for elected officials, department heads and their chief deputies. County brass stressed it still made information about county jobs and their pay scales and benefits available to the public on the county Web site. The data did not include the names of the workers or their pay level. County supervisors were prepared to vote to ratify the policy in February 2006, but delayed their vote in the face of a public outcry. The Independent Journal then filed a lawsuit against the county, demanding release of the information under the state Public Records Act. That same day, supervisors reversed their stance and voted to open the books to the newspaper, but only after a 60-day delay so that county employees could be alerted about the change. Before that notification period ended, the Marin County Management Employees Association, a 300-member union, went to court, asking that the county be barred from disclosing worker-specific information about the county's roughly 2,100 employees. The union argued that release of the information could make county workers vulnerable to identity theft. "I thought we had a legitimate interest before the Supreme Court ruled the way it did," said Art Brook, the union's president. Brook said the union has no plans to appeal Friday's appeals court ruling because the state Supreme Court has made its position clear. County Counsel Patrick Faulkner said he wasn't surprised by the appeals court decision and said the county is waiting for Marin Superior Court Judge Lynn Duryee to lift the local court's ruling that sided with the union and blocked release of employee-specific payroll information. The latest ruling "comports with the action the board took to release the salary information," Faulkner said, referring to the county supervisors' 2006 vote. Peter Scheer, executive director of the San Rafael-based California First Amendment Coalition, noted the appeals court ruling encompasses all county workers. Last year's Supreme Court decision applied to workers earning $100,000 or more per year. The latest ruling is a significant victory for the public's right to know, he said. It makes it clear that public payrolls are public "for all employees, not limited to employees who are highly paid."

Firebug   |April.09.2008 N E W S A L E R T Assembly member Anthony J. Portantino of La Canada has authored a bill AB 1855 in an attempt to hide the salaries of public employees. Be sure to write, email or call your local representatives offices and remind them to vote no! The Contra Costa Times has an excellent editorial about it here. http://www.contracostatimes.com/opinion/ci_8853851

Doug   |April.08.2008 Thanks for the info on Binding Arbitration On Fire. I read today on the TH blog where under BA the Arbitrator makes a blanket decision to side with labor or management. Kind of a winner take all situation. If the same dispute goes before a judge he/she has the ability to parse through the arguments and come up with a compromise decision. Not sure if this is completely accurate but it seems to make sense.

Firebug   |April.08.2008 Anonie: Wow I have been promoted! First I was lumped into multiple identities and now I am recognized as an individual! Hurray fof me

On Fire   |April.08.2008 Oh ano, I totally disagree. You see it was 'checking your facts' that made the statement: "I would sincerely hope that our citizens spend as much time or more checking your facts and educating yourselves on issues as you seem to spend spreading negative inaccurate dribble on this board." So since it was my comments that were being challenged, I simply pointed out that they were mistaken about what was stated. Again, 'cyf' came back to note that the question they posted had still not been answered. So if I am to understand your position, I should simply drop it and let the other person go with the assumption that my comments here are "inaccurate dribble"? I thought the purpose of discussion here was toward intellegent discourse? Discourse: verbal interchange of ideas, orderly and usu. extended expression of thought on a subject. I don't consider myself as a senior member of this site, self appointed or otherwise. I don't have any problems with some who disagrees with my opinion or chooses to debate my facts. But 'cyf' was misinterperting my comments which drew the response of clarification. As to the appelation of troll, I will leave that for you to decide. If the shoe fits.....

LFM   |April.08.2008 John K, thank you for attending and giving the update on the CD Commission meeting. I think the issue that bothers the people in No.Vallejo is that MOW never bothered to talk with them to inform them of their budget concerns. They also never made a real effort to locate another space and left it up to the City to worry about. They also never gave the seniors that participate in the meals, any options and never told them they could choose to continue to be served if they would have them delivered, instead of at the center. What bothers the rest of the people that are trying to help these seniors, is that MOW knew they had to budget in the overhead expenses when they made out their budget last year. As with most budgets, if unexpected expenses arise, then you find ways to make the needed cuts overall and not just with one line item. The callous remarks made by their directors, "they can just go to the other sites", doesn't reflect a group that is supposed to be aware of senior's constraints and challenges to getting around town. There was also the impression made that all meals, regular and those that cater to the Fil-Am taste, are all prepared at the same site. What we are hearing is that the meals for the Fil-Am seniors are bought at a local restaurant and delivered to the two sites. If this is true, how much more is this special consideration costing? Do all sites have the ability to request specialty foods? So there is still work to be done so that seniors are all treated equally and that service that is agreed upon be completed through the contracted year. And the staff person who works with the CDBG grants is Guy Ricca. He has worked for the City for a number of years and well informed about community needs. He is a valued employee and community member.

Anonymous   |April.08.2008 By the way, the poster the other day was correct in stating Fire Bug is like your protege. Idea wise and online personality wise. Now don't forget to call me a troll for daring to speak my mind

Anonymous   |April.08.2008 On Fire, For someone who comes across as articulate and wise as you do, you seem to be oblivious to or do not care to realize that you come of like someone who is full of them self. You are the self appointed senior member here and along with that, you have the attitude that if someone challenges you and pursues the debate for more than a few posts, you then become defensive, and pick them apart and if that doesn't work you resort to calling them a troll as you did to someone the other day, who dared to disagree with you to the extent that they did. Your intelligence and wealth of knowledge is without question, but your online personality leaves a lot to be desired. This comes from an admirer of your ideas.

Carol   |April.08.2008 www.mealcall.org/faq.htm

Firebug   |April.08.2008 Excellent John K! I have always been interested in how much Vallejo gets back from the County (in terms of programs). I wonder if other cities have MoW facilities that require overhead costs and if so why cut in Vallejo. It seems to me that those other meals served are through the goodness of private business and some non-profits, it is as if we are being penalized for having citizens that step up to the challenge.

John K   |April.08.2008 The Community Development Commission... ...we attended the Thursday night (3 April) hearing on the proposed Action Plan to identify amounts and sources of funding that will be expended by the City and other entities on various affordable housing and community development activities in Vallejo. Though we were looking closely, our untrained eyes were unable to spot any graft, greed, or corruption. There was a "staff" guy who gave the presentation with a slide show of all the relevant features of the one year plan and he said the details had already been agreed upon previously, with the main difference being that this year's funds were reduced by 3.3%. He also knew which Commissioners were required to recuse themselves due to conflict of interest. Some of the folks at the hearing were familiar from recent Council Meetings. Liat M. spoke, as well as Diana L., and Sam K. We saw 2 Council Members at the hearing, Joanne Schivley, who spoke, and Hermie Sunga, who didn't. Meals On Wheels (MoW) was a hot item. MoW intends to shut down the North Vallejo lunch site later this month because of overhead costs. They will still deliver meals to seniors at home, and they're looking for another site in N. Vallejo that won't have overhead costs. They tried to move the lunch room to the GVRD community center but that didn't work out for some reason. They say they're still trying to find another acceptable location. Interesting notes from MoW - one of the public speakers was MoW volunteer Richard Stevens. There are more than 200 meals served daily in Vallejo and most of them are delivered to people at home. He told us there are 4 public lunch sites in Vallejo, with Florence Douglas Senior Center serving 45 meals per day. Then there's Marina Towers, where they serve two seatings, with 12 regular and 12 Filipino meals, and there's a room in Seafood City where they serve 15 meals per day. Finally, a site in North Vallejo serves from 4 to 8 meals per day. That's the one they want to shut down because, of all of the sites, the N. Vallejo site is the only one where the MoW program has to pay overhead costs. All of the other sites are donated, along with cleanup and utilities, but the place they've been using in N. Vallejo requires significant maintenance/janitorial fees, utility fees, telephone, and insurance. This lunch site serves from 4 to 8 meals per day, but there are 25-30 home deliveries made in N. Vallejo. The home deliveries will continue and the folks who go to the lunch site can opt for home delivery as well, or they can go to one of the other lunch sites. The down side is that the North Vallejo lunch has been operating for over 10 years and it's a social occasion for the folks who attend. Another hot topic at the hearing was affordable housing - rentals vs ownership. Several members of the public spoke to urge the Commission to support ownership of affordable housing instead of more rentals, saying that Vallejo already has enough rentals and should focus more support on assisting people to buy their own homes. This seemed like a popular suggestion, but the staff guy reminded the Commission that the Council had already passed some resolution for rental support and they probably wouldn't want to change their minds at this time, though maybe next year? He seemed to know what the Council wanted, and when he summarized his recommendations, the Commission "Ayed" him. Thanks to Little Old Lady, Shay58, LFM, Judy Irvin, Silas, Firebug, On Fire, Robert, Ann, and others who have been posting affordable housing topics. John & Maureen

John K   |April.08.2008 Thanks! Your experience is appreciated

Firebug   |April.08.2008 John K, Some of these anonymous posts here are made by folks that used to post under different handles on the old board because they conflict with statements they made during these posts. I have archived many of the old vallejonews threads and I am willing to share what I have. I have always used my handle as firebug since I started posting 5 and a half years ago.

John K   |April.08.2008 Good eye Firebug

Firebug   |April.08.2008 "Checking your facts" writing style reminds me of certain posters back on the old vallejonews.com. They would first quote a statement from a poster they disagreed with and add to it a statement that you actually wrote and then write a post lumping in everything claiming that you stated blah blah blah just like here about Osby Davis. checking the facts is trying to putr Onfire on the hook for comments they never posted. Reminds me of "NBR" and "interesting" from the old board.

John K   |April.08.2008 Last week the Community Development Commission recommended 85K in funding for VNHS, so I think the Council will be voting on that next month. Then we'll see if either Mayor Davis or Councilwoman Schivley cast a vote?

checking your facts   |April.07.2008 i apologize but I did see in your post that you referred to "slam book" and may have confused my post with that. The question you have posed is legitimate... and I believe that the city should answer it; not just as it pertains to Mayor Davis but to Councilwoman Schivley. We are not on opposing sides here.

On Fire   |April.07.2008 Doug, I believe that if the CM imposed cuts in salaries or work force, and the unions disagreed with it, without binding arbitration they would have to take it to a mediator and then if still unsatisfied with the decision, they would have to take it to court and let a judge decide if it was fair or necessary in order to balance the budget. It simply takes the decision out of the hands of someone who has no stake in the consequences of the decision. An arbitrator does not have to answer to the citizens, but can determine how to use the tax payer's money, and eliminate quality of life services for the cities. A judge would have to take these issues into consideration to come up with a decision.

On Fire   |April.07.2008 Oh no checking your facts, I haven't confused your posts with anyone else. As stated before I merely pointed out that your response to my post had nothing to do with my comments and suggested that you read the posts before trying to correct something that you thought I had said. Your statement: "Osby Davis represented VNHS for 28 years prior to being elected Mayor of this city. VNHS is NOT A LANDLORD. VNHS is a non profit organizatin, independent of the City of Vallejo, the Vallejo Housing Authority and the Redevelopment Agency." I never said that VNHS was a landlord. and "once again I would pose the question when have Mayor Davis or Councilwoman Schively held office and voted on an issue regarding VNHS funding? I can wait for your answer...... NEVER!" And once again, I never said either of them had. I simply posed a question regarding the fact that it may be a conflict of interest if he did and the difference in Schivley's vote and the mayor's financial interest involved in his possible vote. Which is a legitimate question and issue wouldn't you say?

checking your facts   |April.07.2008 ON FIRE : I am sorry if you feel that my post was snarky. It was simply a question. I believe you may have confused my post with another. As for my visiting this website and posting my comments I have as much right to and as much passion for it as you do.

Doug Sherman   |April.07.2008 Somebody asked a question on the TH blog today that I thought was pretty interesting. What options would the city manager have right now if we didnt have binding arbitration? Since the safety workers cant strike by law could the city manager unilaterally impose an hourly pay cut. If so, what options would labor have in that case?

Shay58   |April.07.2008 Whoops! I meant Osby's Friend not Firend.

Shay58   |April.07.2008 Osby's Firend: I thought the chamber didn't endorse any mayoral candidate in the last election? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Obsys neighbor   |April.07.2008 John K Doesn't it say it all when both the Chamber of Commerce and the Safety Unions endorsed Pam Pitts.Even Osby would have been a better choice. I personally find VIB to be a great source of information.However a concern that I continue to have is how much the rest of Vallejo knows or even cares about the issues discussed. Without more Community involvement Vallejo will continue to continue it downward spiral.

Sam Kurshan   |April.07.2008 It' the fault of the union leadership and the coalitions they form with other local unions leaders, to influence the uninformed union members, who have a tendency to believe their union leaders without question, because so glad they are in a union that they question nothing.

Anonymous   |April.07.2008 Maybe the CSEA members will see that they've been used... How could they have supported a mayoral candidate that could not pay her property taxes...taxes which fund schools? You wonder what these people support!!!

John K   |April.07.2008 CSEA = California School Employees Association ...I hope the "locals" are smarter, but it's hard to forget those slick campaign flyers... See: http://www.csea.com/content/chapterpubs/C/199/Vallejo_City_Election.pdf

Firebug   |April.07.2008 The similarities are telling especially the likeness of inaccurate information. I liked the 74 percent and 80 percent mincing words. I thought that over 74 percent of the general fund was for safety services salaries and benefits, and the 80 percent figure was what it cost to run safety services including all the other things that go along with running the departments. The other telling similarity was the suggestion that the general fund should be co-mingled with enterprise monies that cannot even be used for salaries for safetry services. I also know that Debb Jachens is a State/regional CSEA official, and if you sit down and actually talked with a local School District CSEA Officer I dougbt they could even lie their support of IAFF with a straight face. After publishing the salaries and benefits let's face it we are all human here and I can only tell you based on the fact the Riley/Jachens devoted an entire half a page on this that the local CSEA membership ain't buying the corporate union cool-aide.

On Fire   |April.06.2008 Sorry, that should have said Daniel Borenstein, not Davis.

Sam Kurshan   |April.06.2008 Thank you Marc for continuing to enlighten us to the truth. I am going to speak solely for my self now. If any one decides to agree with me fine. If not, remember I said I was speaking for myself. Call, it a vibration, intuition, experience from being in unions, or all or some of this. I have always had the worst possible perception of Jon Riley and Kurt Henke that an individual could possess. I have always felt they had completely lost touch with and had separated themselves from the positive principles of unionism and good leadership. Bearing that in mind, I do not trust them now nor will I ever trust them. The absolute last straw was at the City Council meeting where Kurt spilled the beans concerning the secret negotiations with the City and then at another meeting soon afterwards, when Jon Riley had the balls to get up and ask the citizens of Vallejo to trust them. There is no trust, there never will be for those who live a life of lies and deception. There never will be for those who use their influence to spread hateful gossip about the small handful of dedicated leaders of this city. There never will be for those that bring expensive and time consuming lawsuits against those whose only intention is to govern this city in a way that guides us to prosperity. There never will be for those who spend vulgar amounts of money to place their puppets in city government so as to tilt the Council in their favor. To even hint at or suggest the possibility of our trusting them is the climax of the most obscene and insulting behavior I have ever witnessed from a labor union and its leadership. I sincerely believe we all need to reach down inside of us and muster up the extra amount of reserved energy and determination which we all possess and dedicate it to the fight of our life. That being the taking back of our city from these corrupt and evil excuses for human beings. You have seen me get up at Council meetings and become angry. You have read some pretty strong and sometimes vile comments of mine on the T.H. comments boards. You have thought and some of you have decided that I am a member of what has become labeled as "the lunatic fringe". Well let me tell you something. I am no lunatic. I am just not as patient with nor do I condone this obscene behavior and when I become angry enough after reaching my bull**** saturation point, I express my anger and disgust. There are some who feel I have damaged the cause by being so vocally and visibly angry. To those people, I respect your right to feel that way but I offer no apology. I will continue to give ALL of my free time and ALL of my extra energy to ridding this city of this scourge and as I stated a moment ago, urge all of you to do the same with the dedication of all of your heart and soul. We will prevail. We will over turn binding arbitration and we will see an increase of dedicated, honest leadership in our city government, even if it occurs as a result of the removal by recall, of those who do not represent our interests, but the interests of those who have destroyed our great City, Vallejo! Good night and God Bless you! Need I say more?

On Fire   |April.06.2008 I somehow missed a very good article in the Contra Costa Times dated 02/17/08 by Davis Borenstien that talks about full disclosure of salary and benefits being essential for City Council to have before negotiating contracts. The portion that was so pertainant to Vallejo said: The next time a public agency negotiates a new contract with employees, we should be told how much the workers will earn in base pay and what the value of their health insurance, pension, retiree medical coverage and other benefits will be. We should also be told how that total compensation compares with other public agencies and the private sector. Interestingly, public officials and academics I talked to for this column agreed that negotiations should be based on total compensation, not just base salary. And they agreed that the numbers can be calculated. But elected officials and union leaders are reluctant to publicize the true total cost because it would expose how much future generations are being burdened with the cost of retirement benefits for current employees. If elected officials are unwilling to reveal the full costs, we should find others to fill their seats.

Sam Kurshan   |April.06.2008 Oh yeah Kurt, That guy with the dark sunglasses that Schaitburger sent from the International union to attend the City Council meetings won't even be able to help you this time. You know, that G. Gordon Liddy wanna be.

Sam Kurshan   |April.06.2008 You under estimated our intelligence and we over estimated yours! Kurt: "They picked the wrong people to mess with." It's the other way around, Kurt. As you are about to find out!

Sam Kurshan   |April.06.2008 Kurt (Mariano) Stop pretending you don't know how to spell. You don't have to convince us of your ignorance. We're well aware of it. Go find another city to haunt. Shouldn't you be using all of your waking time any way, to work out a real labor agreement with the city/ Oh I forgot, you have no intentions of doing that. Either way you are toast and so is binding arbitration. See ya on the unemployment line! I heard there will be a special express line for the Vallejo Fire Department.

mariano guadalupe vallejo   |April.06.2008 Sam, Just leave the issue alone allready. nobody cares about whining about arbitration. the city needs arbitration two streamline negotations. plain and simple, it is the fairest way of dong business. the working people of this cit are good people and dont deserve this evil treatment

On Fire   |April.06.2008 There is a very interesting site that is dedicated to fiscal review of the City of Salinas. The site is www.joincouncilwatch.org and their mission reads: A nonprofit, volunteer operated & membership based educational organization established in 1989. Mission includes local government education with a focus on fiscal issues within the Salinas & Monterey Bay areas. There are several articles (some MP3) that talk about salaries of city employees and budget problems. One I found of particular interest is from 02/11/08 on MP3, which is an interview with Jim Colangelo, the City Manager of Pacific Grove. He discusses the contracting of services outside of city government. He apparently contracted out all services of a city in Michigan (I couldn't get the name but it sounded like it was in Michigan.) which included police and fire. Not too long but worth hearing.

Anonymous   |April.06.2008 If you can not help yourself, you will not be successful at helping others. The City of Vallejo has helped the Safety Unions become wealthy out of town employees, helped bring the poor of other cites and counties to our city with the promise of voucher assistance, and given commerical properties owners tax breaks on their buildings. We are a majority of Democrates; we should be ashamed that we have given everything away, and kept nothing for ourselves. We not can not help ourselves, nor others. We must be proactive, take a more conservative view, run the city like a profitable business, take the advice of people like J.D. Miller and VIB blogger "Little Old Lady." I hate to say it, the "Arnold" was right when a few years ago he said the contracts with State and City unions would bleed us dry,we refused to listen, the nerve of the Gov. telling us not to give away our money! The City of Vallejo needs a blood transfusion! We have become weak and anemic in our old ways, its time for a new way; for those that would resist change, we should tell them, it's the new way or the highway!

On Fire   |April.06.2008 Good question Shay58. If the people who live in the unincorporated areas can't vote for City Council seats, I imagine they wouldn't be able to sign the petitions. but worth looking into further. But because these people are still affected by Vallejo's budgetary problems, I would think the people who are living in those areas could still help with the effort in other ways.

RdP   |April.06.2008 I just watched the portion of the Santa Rosa City Council meeting of March 11th, where their deputy city administrator gave a great presentation on what happened here in Vallejo. Their City Manager indicated that Vallejo's Fire Union Memo Of Understanding left the City with no way to adjust fire expenses. Santa Rosa's Mayor said that the Vallejo management and City Council weren't managing our City and if our City's representatives are not managing things, they're giving things away. He also said that this begs the question of who is running the ship (well, I guess we know who WAS running it). One of the Council menbers asked how does Vallejo get out of this mess, and the response was, either the unions will come forward with SIGNIFICANT reductions OR the City files for bankruptcy. It was interesting that the Santa Rosa Mayor insisted that the deputy providing the report, insert the fact that he was discussing Vallejo's problems, not Santa Rosa's. This gave rise to much laughter throughout the rest of the presentation...made me feel sad to hear that. However, this was an excellent analysis of Vallejo's situation by an outside entity and seems to prove up what this site has said all along - the unions have to back down if the City is ever going to improve.

Sam Kurshan   |April.06.2008 Mariano Guadelupe is either Kurt, Jon or one of their loyal 1186 members. Mariano is like their secret propaganda weapon LOL. They launch Mariano at what they believe are well timed attempts to counter anti 1186 sentiment. Now that binding arbitration is being challenged they are more threatened than ever. It's like trying to pry a baby animal away from its mothers teat. They will put up a dirty fight and spend untold sums of money to save binding arbitration. But in the end, this time we will prevail, because we have done a much better job educating the public to the detriments of binding arbitration than they, Mariano or anyone else they choose to fool us to the contrary. Happy Sunday!

shay58   |April.06.2008 Will folks living in the unincorporated sections of Vallejo be allowed to sign the petition to remove binding arbitration from the city's charter?

Loose change   |April.06.2008 I find this whole VHA, HUD, BOE, Redevelopment issue very interesting. I am specifically interested in the way these large housing complexes avoid paying property tax. Casa de Vallejo, as an example, is valued at 10 million dollars but the entire 10 million is exempted yielding a net tax book value of zero. I had assumed the VHA was connected somehow to the tax issue but not the case. The property owner applies for non profit status through the Board of Equalization under the Welfare Exemption which is laid out in section 214 of the Revenue and Taxation Code. Here is a good document on the Welfare Exemption: http://www.boe.ca.gov/pdf/pub149.pdf When you read through this and other related documents, it becomes clear that you need a lawyer to help you navigate all of the different legal requirements. There are Federal and State income tax credits, low interest HUD loans and the property tax exemption available if you play your cards right. This leaves a lot of money available to the nonprofit that goes where? So jumping to conclusions, which is just too tempting not to do, here is the way I put it all together. Redevelopment sets up the mandate and legal justification for low income housing. VHA is in place ready and able to deliver low income renters to a new project. Vallejo has a track record and established demographic which makes it easy to get the State and Federal assistance and tax breaks for the project. A lot of money becomes available above and beyond the level needed to leverage the building and management costs of the project. The double downside for the city of Vallejo is, no money is being paid into the general fund through property taxes. Also, the low income residents dont contribute to sale taxes at an adequate level. So the next step; find out where all of the extra money goes.

Carol   |April.06.2008 that last post was mine.

Anonymous   |April.06.2008 Yes, good article VIB. It's about time citizens of Vallejo take back their city. the "good ol' boy" network has been present since 1968--the days of the Zodiac. My mother was a waitress at Terry's and lost her best friend to the Zodiac. She had her own theories of who the zodiac is..

Anonymous   |April.06.2008 Mariano Guadalupe Vallejo, the father of our City of Vallejo was a well educated man, speaking over 5 languages. It bothers me that someone blogging under his name has such poor spelling and does not understand the "tense" of words... Viva Vallejo

MISSMARVELOUS   |April.06.2008 Congratulations to all the volunteers that have helped in the graffiti removal the last couple of months, there has been a great improvement! Yesterday, I drove around and noticed that the overpasses and signage and k-rails through out the city have been cleaned up, as well as litter removal. Keep up the good work!!

mariano guadalupe vallejo   |April.06.2008 It is about time to stop trying to slander Kurt. He is a good man who has the best interet of the working people of the city and there civel rights. get a life allready

Silas Barnabe   |April.06.2008 Onfire- As far as I am concerned Osby's yeah vote to sweep the UBL scandal under the rug speaks volumes about his integrity, and honesty around his promises to the voters that elected him.

On Fire   |April.05.2008 Fact Checker, maybe you should take a little more time to actaully read the posts before getting your panties in a bunch. My previous comments clearly stated that the mayor is the attorney for VHNS, and I made no reference to VHNS being a landlord. What I did say was that the mayor had made much of his money as the attorney for property management companys that have properties in redevelopment areas. Further, no where in my comments did I state that the mayor had voted to fund VHNS. I raised the question if it would be a conflict if he voted to give additional funds, through the city to VHNS, would it be a conflict? Also, if he still is on the payroll for the property management companies that are in redevelopment areas, would that be a conflict? The difference between Ms. Schivley sitting on their Board and the mayor's position is that he is a paid staff member which could benefit if VHNS receives further funding from the City. Ms. Schivey does not have any financial interest in VHNS which I believe would be the issue for a conflict of interest to exist. The question still stands, which I'm sure will be addressed by the City at a later date. And by the way, if you feel the comments are too juvenile for your taste, why are you taking so much time to come over and reading the posts? By leaving your snarky remarks it appears that you enjoy a bit of that "slam book" as well. So maybe you should take time for a reality check and self evaluate? There has been a number of decisions made by the "good old boy" club which benefitted a few and the continued mind set of "business as usual" is what raises the flag and has people now reviewing the decisions are made and who is making them. Sorry but Osby is deeply entrenched in that good old boy system and so his decisions warrant scrutiny. As a tax payer, it's my right to ask the question.

John K   |April.05.2008 henkette alert Where DO they find the time? Ah, yes, they have plenty of extra people now that they've reduced required staffing by shutting down 2 engine companies during this emergency bandaid plan. So they'll be blogging away just like it was an election year. Wouldn't it be cool to have a Charter item like Hayward, prohibiting city employees from engaging in political activities? Hayward is one of the 14 salary survey cities that help our local union inflate their pay packages. Here's an excerpt from the Hayward City Charter: SECTION 1103. POLITICAL ACTIVITIES PROHIBITED Excepting members of the City Council, and the various boards and commissions mentioned in or created or hereafter created under Article IX of this Charter, no person holding any position with the City for which compensation is paid, or on an eligible list, shall take an active part in any City political campaign or contribute thereto in behalf of any candidates, nor shall such person seek signatures to any petition seeking to advance the candidacy of any person for any City office. Nothing in this Section shall be construed to prevent any such persons from seeking election or appointment to public office. Upon becoming a candidate for public office, any such person shall request and be granted a leave of absence, without pay, to remain in effect during the period of time such person is a candidate.

On Fire   |April.05.2008 Ahhh, I see now that the henkette bloggers have been laughed at and put down on the times horrid they have migrated over here and brought some trolls with them.

checking your facts   |April.05.2008 once again I would pose the question when have Mayor Davis or Councilwoman Schively held office and voted on an issue regarding VNHS funding? I can wait for your answer...... NEVER!

slam book   |April.05.2008 those of us who grew up in eighties remember the slam book. this is vallejos version. how pathetic is that? lol! grown ass people acting like they are still in high school. that is why this city is a joke to everybody else in the bay.kk

mariano guadalupe vallejo   |April.05.2008 Look, Be glad that you have a good fire deparmtnet. Or whats left of its. Binding arbitration is what it take to make the city fair with the working people of vallejo.

Food for Thought   |April.05.2008 The answer is simple. They lack the intelligence to do so. Unfortunately this may be a barrier we need to cross as far as enlightening them to why binding arbitration must go.

On Fire   |April.05.2008 Judging by the lack of any arguement on the posts of the times horrid, for keeping binding arbitration on the charter, it appears that the henkettes are now huddled together trying to figure out their next move. First having to come up with a deal that would save the city and having to pay out big bucks for their attorney, then being hit with the push to begin the evaluation process that had been required and ignored, and now being hit with the citizen's move to take binding arbitration off the charter, they must be in a tizzy! The best statement in the article: California League of California Cities Deputy Executive Director Dwight Stenbakken said his agency strongly opposes binding arbitration because it puts crucial financial decisions in the hands of an outside party. "Binding arbitration ruins the collective bargaining process. People don't bargain in good faith. There's a bunch of posturing," Stenbakken said. The league successfully fought a state effort to impose binding arbitration on local governments involved in police and fire salary and benefit disputes.

Little Old Lady   |April.05.2008 Anon... Vallejo citizens should vigorously resist formation of additional Redevelopment Areas,including along Tennessee Street. Redevelopment abuse has been one of Vallejo's major problems and source of revenues for favored developers, fancy consultants and infrastructure contractors. Plus Redevelopment requires "affordable" (subsidized) housing and we already have enough. There are other, better strategies like "enterprise zones". In other communities, the most effective strategies are based on creating a favorable environment for numerous small investors...reduced fees, streamlined permitting and other perks. Vallejo needs to build a strong middle and entreprenurial class but staff is heading us in the opposite direction with more fees, a cumbersome permitting process and a demographic base skewing more and more to the low end.

Silas Barnabe   |April.05.2008 Strange, that was 1.5 billion in value for the LNG plant and at 1 percent assessed value leaves 15 million to be shared with the city county state and school district.

Silas Barnabe   |April.05.2008 Wow I have no idea what happened there, but here is the edited paragraph 5 billion assessed at 1 percent and shared with the state, county and school district would likely yield 7 million or less for the city. With a structural deficit for safety salaries and benefits and the few other employees left at 14 or more million we likely will not be able to fund public works, non-profits, and adequately staff all city departments even with any or all of the above industry

Silas Barnabe   |April.05.2008 Shay58: Absolutely should you expect nore of this, our bought and paid for council majority has already made clear the money is not coming from safety services so that leaves us. When times are tough it won't be an easy thing to have the salaries of safety employees readily available for anyone to review and then try to tell the public they need to swallow an LNG plant, Casino, or prison as well as tax and fee hikes. The proof is in the puddin all of the above still will not give vallejo an adequately staffed police department, funded transportation and non-profits as well as a public works budget that at least is similar to surrounding cities. In short an LNG facility that was valued at 1.5 billion assessed at 1 percent and shared with the state, county and school district would likely yield 7 million or less for the city. With a structural deficit for safety salaries and benefits and the few other employees left at 14 million we likely will not be able to fund public works, non-profits, and adequately staff all city departments even with any or all of the above industry. We (Those that can more afford than others)will likely still be saddled with the burdens that come along with a large populatioon of poor people that consume more taxes than they contribute, underfunded public works so our city continues to look run down, and loaded up with a large group of impoverished citizens that need non-profits, transportation and cheap housing the most. Our City is a model where a few middle class citizens have the double burden other cities won't stand for of supporting the some of the highest paid employuees in the Bay Area which contribute sub standard services to this City because of lack of accountability (yearly evaluations) or extremely short staffed departments (becaue of huge salaries and benefits prohibits hiring more), and some of the poorest individuals in the Bay Area that contribute little in the way of revenues to this City. I give you our dilemna valled Vallejo

Shay58   |April.05.2008 Silas: Funny how the word bankruptcy has brought out the cheerleaders. Where have they been? This is the same chamber that declined to endorse a mayoral candidate because none of the candidates fit their narrow mold of what a mayor of Vallejo should look like. Don't be surprised if we start seeing similar published statements from our city officials who have been silent on this entire issue. Hmmm, you think their written statements might be on Henke's desk waiting for editing?

Silas Barnabe   |April.05.2008 Thanks for pointing out that add shay58. I had to LOL what new business revenues in areas able to develop like Sonoma BLVD or the Northgate Quadrant. Mr. Wells and the Chamber of Corruption cheer leaded the deal that gave Northgate Auto dealers the luxury to relocate and enjoy sales tax breaks, so much for equity and new revenues. It was also amusing that Mr. Wells and the Chamber of Corruption feel we need to meet the safety unions half way...excuse me but is half way taking only a two percent raise for themselves and then what from us? Given the tax base and revenue potential in Vallejo, having some of the highest paid employees in the Bay Area with no funding for non-profits, little or fractional public works budgets of neighboring cities shouldn't even go in the same paragraph. Lastly Mr. Wells and the Chamber of Collusion is telling us that we need to face with open arms higher fees, higher taxes, and let whatever revenue generating business that other cities chase off open shop here. One word Mr. Wells Poppycock!

Shay58   |April.05.2008 Good morning Check out page A8 of today's (Saturday, April 5) T-H. The Vallejo Chamber has taken out a half-page ad entitled: A Practical Business Approach to Vallejo's Business Crisis. I'm sure it was pre-approved, and no doubt written by Henke and the gang.

John K   |April.05.2008 Thanks, facts checker. I've heard folks praise VNHS and it appears to be a wonderful organization. However, when the Council meets to set policy, we often see Members announce that they must recuse themselves, and they stand up and exit, stage right. One new member has earned the nickname, "Recusinator." What possible conflicts could there be with Council Members approving funds for VNHS? Would an attorney for the organization have a conflict if called upon to approve or disapprove funding? Why or why not? And if Joanne Schivley is an Officer of the Board, would she have a conflict if called upon to approve or disapprove funding? I'd like to know if these questions can be easily dismissed. I believe the topic will be popping up at a Council Meeting in May?

Osbys Neighbor   |April.05.2008 Checking Your Facts My perception is that people are not saying our Mayor is all bad. But he is part of the old power base in Vallejo and does support this group on most issues. Until he started running for Mayor I never heard him taking any stances about the abuses and incompetence of the City and City Council. While he keeps talking about a vision for the Vallejo ( which is meant to distract people from the current reality)I don't see him willing to be critical of past abuses or have a game plan to help the City survive the next 12 months.

Anonymous   |April.05.2008 Today in the Times Horrible, there was a story about businesses on Tennesssee St. getting together to promote their business and clean up Tennessee street which is the main direct route to Mare Island off HWY 80. "Little Old Lady" can you tell us if you believe that Tennessee St. would be eligible for Redevelopment Funds? The area has blight and looks run down in many areas. It could do with a face lift, which would help the business aspect. If yes, we should contact the businesses involved and make sure they get a piece of the Redevelopement pie, which means a nicer and safer area for the citizens of vallejo to visit and shop! Also, since Tennessee is a main route to Mare Island, it would be in the interest of both Lennar and Touro University to improve the route to their new homes and university. I am all for cleaning up Vallejo, if we have to it one street at a time!

checking your facts   |April.04.2008 Osby Davis represented VNHS for 28 years prior to being elected Mayor of this city. VNHS is NOT A LANDLORD. VNHS is a non profit organizatin, independent of the City of Vallejo, the Vallejo Housing Authority and the Redevelopment Agency. I would sincerely hope that our citizens spend as much time or more checking your facts and educating yourselves on issues as you seem to spend spreading negative inaccurate dribble on this board. And here is a FACT for you, JoAnne Schivley is an officer of the Board of Vallejo NHS.

J.M   |April.04.2008 Just want to share the wealth; The letter below went to Vallejo City Attorney, Vallejo City Manager,Vallejo Major. Sent Tuesday, March 4, 2008. And yes, brunch is a few days away! Dear Stephanie Gomes & Joanne Schivley, Vallejo City Council I would like to sincerely thank Stephanie Gomes & Joanne Schivley for their outstanding City Council demeanor, responsiveness, honesty, integrity, loyalty & great attitude to confront our current issues facing our City. I greatly appreciate both of you asking the right questions & getting to the truth...even though, the truth has many disguises. In all honesty, without being negative, I would hope Tom, Erin, Hermie & Michael would ask the tough questions as well & start to be proactive. It really appears to me, they are not participating in the council with Stephanie & Joanne asking most of the questions. Why?? Vallejo Citizens voted for representatives who will look after the interest of Vallejo, it's citizens & not have biased intentions from unions, contractors or groups not immediately concerned with our City. Perhaps we are being to harsh to judge in these times of crisis. Please know, I will be more than happy to join both of you to brunch on a Nice Saturday morning in a local Vallejo restaurant, my treat. Great work! I hope everyone is doing well & hope life finds you in good spirits, health & prosperity. thank you, J.M Ascencio

Food for Thought   |April.04.2008 Good Morning, This morning there is a letter praising the efforts of Council members Gomes and Schively in the Times Herald. I know that is a dirty word to our ears but I would like to publish that letter and my response to it in the T.H. Although I deplore the tactics the T.H. uses to alter its reporting of the news as well as their censoring of some letters to them, I feel it is important for us to continue to post our comments there as a way to reach those hold outs who are finally becoming weary of the T.H.'s practices as well as its blind support of the agenda of Kurt Henke and Local 1186. I believe that if we continue to make our presence known by commenting there, we will be influencing those who are beginning to rethink their allegiance to the Henke Dynasty. This is the letter and below it is my response: Show your appreciation I've been wanting to say this for a long time: Even if you don't agree, I believe with heartfelt sincerity that everyone should spontaneously applaud (and stand of course, if sitting) whenever they see Joanne Schivley or Stephanie Gomes - for the amazing and so very inspiring courage - and hard work they have shown through all of this. Especially Joanne. She's been trying to warn us of this impending crisis for years! I can't begin to imagine how hard it must be to persist in "banging one's head against the wall" with these head-in-the-sand (to push a metaphor) co-councilmembers. Please don't assume they know your appreciation. Show it - however you can. Barbara Gaea, Vallejo My response: The only people who don't appreciate the efforts of Gomes and Schively are the ever shrinking group of Vallejoan's who have been brain washed by the propaganda and rhetoric of Kurt Henke and Local 1186. As with anyone who has been brain washed, deprogramming them is a slow and arduous process. It takes time and patience. Thankfully there is a wonderful resource that the citizens of Vallejo can now turn to for unbiased news and information to help teach and enlighten them to the truth concerning what is going on in city government in Vallejo. Which council members are working for the good of the city and which ones are working for the good of Kurt Henke and Local 1186. That would be The Vallejo Independent Bulletin web site, found at: ibvallejo.com Ms. Gomes and Schively became council members as a result of their love for Vallejo and their commitment to raising the bar on the quality of life here. Unlike other council members whose campaigns were bank rolled by Kurt Henke's union, Gomes and Schively represent the citizens of Vallejo and everything they do is for their benefit only. The only people who oppose their efforts are members of Local 1186 and their supporters. But, as I stated, that group is shrinking at a faster pace every day. Thank you Ms. Gomes and Schively for being a beacon of light in these otherwise dark times in Vallejo. Thank you for not wavering from your beliefs and ideals and for not allowing anyone to influence you to do so. You are the real hero's of Vallejo!

Firebug   |April.04.2008 And yet an even riskier suggestion would be for the language changes be applied to current contracts. (I am not certain of the legal outcome) I am certain that the charter ammendment group has the legal prowess to look into the suggestions made thus far.

Firebug   |April.04.2008 I am not sure the strategy yet, but from what I have seen it is excellent. I don't think a recall should be tied to binding arbitration, but more likely the charter ammendment be a strong shot accros the bow of OZ and the fab four. Some suggestions: Mr. Davis cautious comments in the TH support that even removing "binding arbitration" from the Charter would not stop the Council from agreeing to ad MOU's or clauses in their labor contracts that call for binding arbitration. My proposed solution would be to add language to the charter that prohibits the city from adding such language to contracts or forbids or limits the utlimate decision of an outside arbitrator as sinmply a recommendation or even a vote that must be a "unamimous" Council vote which matches the Supreme Courts recommendation for "interest based arbitration" when they found it un-constitional. This would force the unions to have to "buy" the entire council and Mayor in upcoming elections to put such a clause in the contracts.

Sonic Toad   |April.04.2008 Now that binding arbitration is going to be a topic over the next many months it will be interesting to see if any of the flunky five do a turn-about. If they were true business persons it would be an easy choice. This is especially true since a vote from them is not in the works and it's in the hands of the public now to put on the ballot. It's going to be a bumpy ride, and I see slick brochures in my future telling me about how unsafe I'll be without binding arbitration. Is binding arbitration some kind of new piece of fire equipmnt like the jaws of life?

cranky pants   |April.03.2008 Recall people, Recall, Recall....As long as corrupt politicians are allowed to occupy our city hall nothing will be fixed. I say corrupt, becuse they are, look at the amount of recusals just on the council alone becuse they own property; Now if we could just get a law passed forcing recusals on matters concerning large campaign donors we would really see some daylight. I would love to see someone with the time and energy dig up the dirt on the mayor and council members holdings in the city, as well as that of there out of town donors ( it seems to me that there were alot of them playing both sides of the donation fence). I have a feeling we would see why Vallejo is in the shape it is with tons of low income rental devlopment and homoginized big box stores on the horizon....

Little Old Lady   |April.03.2008 According to the data on www.preservecitypark/subsidized, most of the subsidized housing in the downtown census tract are in the Projects....811 units. That would be Marina Vista, Marina Towers, Casa de Vallejo and the Projects along Carolina/Florida. With the Housing Choice vouchers...63 units...the overall percentage is 56% subsidized

Shay58   |April.03.2008 Thanks for the info regarding tonight's CDC meeting. The Meals on Wheels issue is distressing, especially in light of North Vallejo having a large number of folks on fixed and low incomees. It would seem that North Vallejo would be one of the last places to cut. Also, this issue regarding Section 8 and how it's been addressed on the VIB forum has enlightend me in some areas, and caused me some concern in others. The issue of Sectin 8 housing does need to be looked at in Vallejo - especially if we are being over saturated with this housing while other nearby communities are not taking on their fair share.That certainly needs to be addressed. If there are organizations, agencies or individuals unfairly or illegally benefitting as a result of this subsidized housing program, that, too, must be addressed. The issue turns problematic when, as someone earlier wrote they believed more than half of the downtown historic area is filled with section 8 tenants and they were having "an adverse affect on the historic properties. No wonder the downtown has never been truely redeveloped." I believe that many Section 8 tenants would not be in this area if property owners were able to sell these homes. Remember, housing sales are at an all time low, locally and statewide. This issue isn't just about our historic district. Some Vallejo neighborhoods have always had their disproportionate share of Section 8 housing, and haven't heard too much hue and cry about those neighborhoods. I would be interested in finding out how all of our neighborhoods are being impacted by Section 8. As this issue is addressed, hopefully the discussion will include those who are most impacted by Section 8 - including tenants themselves. Poor planning is the root of Vallejo's problems - not poor people.

LFM   |April.03.2008 Okay, Food 4 Less. How many buses does a senior have to take to get from the Crest to Food 4 Less, and how much do you think they can individually carry by hand? This is over 1 mile plus. The issue is not only do they not have any grocery stores that are conveniently accessable, but the issue of the seniors being cut out of a nutrition program that was/is going to be funded to include their area.

Anonymous   |April.03.2008 " There are no major grocery stores in this side of town." Food 4 Less and the Safeway in AmCan?

LFM   |April.03.2008 If people are planning to attend the CDC meeting, there is another issue that will be discussed regarding the funding for community development which is of concern. While the value of housing is a hot ticket right now, the story in today's t-h reflects how certain neighborhoods are unfairly targeted for cuts in services in an area already void of services. The Meals on Wheels program has decided to cut the North Vallejo Senior Meals project because of supposed funding issues, while all others will remain the same. This project is partially funded by the City, partially funded by redevelopment funds and partially funded by CDBG funds. The agreement signed by this organization states that they will provided seniors with a hot meal for the period of 07-08. It appears that they have now decided to eliminate the services for only one segement of our city, North Vallejo. No alternatives, no contingency plan and no warning. So are some segments of our community expendable? Seniors in North Vallejo apparently do not count and can simply be tossed to the curb? Apparently someone wasn't paying attention to the budget or someone doesn't think the No. Vallejo senior citizens are worthy of receiving meals that are provided to the rest of the city. This is so typical of what has gone on in this 'redevelopment" area where programs are funded then abruptly removed leaving yet another void in needed services. This neighborhood is one of Vallejo's poorest sections, riddled with crime and drugs. They also are the only redevelopment area that has money in it's coffers, yet they suffer from a total lack of services. Now the VPD apparently wants to use this area's funding to pay for general fund services? There is something wrong with this system and how long are the decision makers going to let this continue? There are no major grocery stores in this side of town and the store that exists in the shopping center charges high prices and out dated food. How does this happen?

John K   |April.03.2008 AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ACTIVITIES Tonight at 7:30 there's a meeting in the Council Chambers... the Community Development Commission is holding a public hearing on the FY 2008/2009 proposed Action Plan to identify amounts and sources of funding that will be expended by the City and other entities on various affordable housing and community development activities in Vallejo. http://tinyurl.com/26bjdc We've been reading the messages in this forum concerning Section 8, Redevelopment, Urban Renewal, Affordable Housing, subsidized housing, HUD, VHA... these are scream topics that have been appearing a lot lately and we're trying to make sense of the ideas. So we figured maybe we'll get a better feel for some of these topics if we attend the meeting tonight. Any suggestions or comments?

Judy Irvin   |April.03.2008 Check out the Feds recent policy on reconciling Affordable (subsidized) Housing with Historic Preservation at... http://www.achp.gov/docs/fr7387.pdf According to 36CFR800, anyone interested may request to be a "consulting party" so that they can be involved early in the VHA planning process. Historic Preservation is a well documented economic strategy as well as a sustainability strategy. It is also the most profitable segment of the tourism market. The City of Vallejo and the powers that be are missing the boat when they function as though historic preservation is a meaningless frill only important to a few tea drinking yuppies.

Anonymous   |April.03.2008 Judy Irvin, thank your for enlightening us at VIB about the National Hitoric Preservation Act (NHPA) that was passed in 1966 to protect our historical properties. You mention that VAllejo Housing Authority "dances" around the restrictions of the NHPA Act, as they are suppose to evaluate the affect that using section 8 (federal funds) to fill up our "listed" historic areas and homes has on the said properties. The Idaho State Historical Society has the particulars of the NHPA listed on their website go to www.idahohistory.net or you can also google the words: National Historic Preservation Act 36CFR800 and it will also lead you to their website. Very enlightening! I have no doubt that at 53% of the downtown historic area filled with section 8, there is an adverse affect on the historic properties. No wonder the downtown has never been truely redeveloped, or is that the plan... Leave the towntown as it is, blighted and eligible for VHA redevelopment funds? I think the best thing we can do as Vallejeons, is to keep using the downtown, movies at the Empress, eatting at the local eateries, and shopping where you can. The more people that notice what is going on downtown the better, it will eventually "force the hand" to retract, or to suffer the rath of the people.

Silas Barnabe   |April.03.2008 Thanks Firebug, even the Henke lawsuit is in that database

Sam Kurshan   |April.02.2008 On Fire, You're not the only one who thought conflict of interest. This bears further investigation, in the form of an inquiry with the City Attorney.

Robert Schussel   |April.02.2008 Just remember that our Mayor represented Callahan Desilva--he is part of the Establishment despite his protests.

On Fire   |April.02.2008 Interesting little find Firebug. Just a quick review and it appears that our mayor has made much of his money from representing landlords. Many of these property owners are in redevelopment areas. So I'm curious as to why it's not considered a conflict of interest if he is still on the property owner's payroll, and he votes on redevelopment funds that benefit the property owners? The times horrid stated that he is the attorney for Vallejo Neighborhood Housing Services, so isn't there a conflict if he votes to fund them from the Housing Authority?

curious   |April.02.2008 Is it possible that the powers that be...John Silva and Osby Davis with the assistance of their good friend Mike Thompson (who represents Napa where Kurt Henke lives)...are ratcheting up establishment of a Redevelopment Area for the Mare Island Historic District? Maybe that is why we heard Lennar whining about getting some help removing impediments. "We need the money, we need the money" and Redevelopment has worked so well for the piggies before. So what if we lose a National Historic Landmark District equal in importance to the Presidio of San Francisco or Jefferson's Montecello? You have to break some eggs to make an omlet.

Firebug   |April.02.2008 Sorry that was a typo Michael Thompson.

Firebug   |April.02.2008 While you are at it enter names like Henke, Osby Davis, Melvin Thompson and look at all the interesting nuggets that popup.

Firebug   |April.02.2008 Go to this link http://courtconnect.solanocourts.com/pls/bprod_cc/ck_public_qry_main.cp_main_idx click judements, enter "City of Vallejo" then click submit and low and behold look at all the settlements. In particular look at the "homeacres" settlement against the Vallejo Redevelopment Agency for $3.2 million!

Anonymous   |April.02.2008 Where to find more on Buchongo Settlement Agreement: http://www.ci.vallejo.ca.us/GovSite/default.asp?serviceID1=573&Frame=L1 -Redevelopment Agency 5-Year Implementation Plan

Democratic Convention Delegate   |April.02.2008 A Message from: DNC Delegate Lou A. Bordisso Q. Is campaigning allowed at the District Caucuses? Yes, campaigning by the delegate and any other democratic candidate (signs, leaflets, etc.) and similar activity will be allowed under rules set out by the California Democratic Party. Dear Companion Democrats and Friends, I am running as a candidate to be a Delegate at the upcoming Democratic National Convention in Colorado and I need your vote at the Caucus to be held for District 7 (George Miller): April 13, 2008 IBEW Hall 1875 Arnold Drive Martinez, CA 94553 Please come to the District 7 Caucus, bring your friends, and vote for Lou A. Bordisso as your delegate! Thanks!!!

Doug Sherman   |April.01.2008 Ann, I dont think you can get any tax breaks in your situation although it never hurts to call the VHA at 707.648.4507. The tax breaks seem to be for the big projects like Casa De Vallejo, Marina Vista, Marina Tower, etc. where almost all of the property taxes are exempted. For individuals like us that have a single family home we rent out, I dont think we are eligible. We are paying full taxes; at least I am on my rental. I do see tax exemptions for some single living units but I think these must be provided under an ownership program where the voucher holders are purchasing the condo or single family home. It looks to me like part of our structural deficit is coming from the fact that the big housing complexes with project based vouchers are not contributing to the general fund through property taxes.

robert schussel   |April.01.2008 Language Police Factoid is correct as the Unions,the City,City Council and the Mayor view this type of information as trival/insignificant.

Ann O. Nemus   |April.01.2008 AM I MISSING SOMETHING? As I've previously mentioned, I have one rental property that's rented out to a "Section 8" family. I'm not getting any property tax breaks, so what are you folks talking about? If they're giving out incentives for landlords, I'd like to know, so I can fall in line. As far as I'm concerned, PROS of renting out to Sec 8: - direct deposit of subsidy. Collection problems only concern tenant's share of rent. - Annual inspection. Hopefully helps keep house from getting trashed. - More leverage for rental agreement compliance. Violations can result in termination of subsidy, so tenants tend to tow the line. CONS: - they're generally "high maintenance" tenants. Not necessarily because they'r bad people, just drama that usually comes with being poor. - you have to be more vigilant about well kept surroundings (i.e. spend some money to cut grass, etc if they don't) - you have to make sure people not named in lease don't live there (& promptly report to VHA if you see a violation) That's all I can think of for now. Speaking of overburdened Code Enforcement, they're doing a great job with the limited resources they have. Poor lady who runs the Dept is ran rugged, I saw how much she makes thanks to VIB, I think she's earned every penny. I'm friends with my rental neighbors, and I've given all of them my phone number and asked them to report to me any drama. And I report to VHA, not Code Enforcement. -

Language Police   |April.01.2008 A pet peeve of many is the incorrect use of Factoid. The definition is: fac�toid 1. an insignificant or trivial fact. 2. something fictitious or unsubstantiated that is presented as fact, devised esp. to gain publicity and accepted because of constant repetition. So maybe you mean Factum (not as pretty since it rhymes with Rectum)?

Judy Irvin   |April.01.2008 You should all be aware that all Federal money including HUD Section 8 subsidies of all types are tied to compliance with the National Historic Preservation Act through Section 106 which requires the City of Vallejo to evaluate the effects on listed and eligible National Register properties including historic districts. Vallejo has several districts which qualify and the Housing Choice Program triggers compliance. The requirements are listed in 36CFR800. VHA has danced around this for years.

Fire exp. 707   |April.01.2008 That was soposed to be a video

Fire exp. 707   |April.01.2008 Maybe this will open the eyes of the people who are trying to take away the jobs of firefighters....

Sam Kurshan   |April.01.2008 Marc, You really had me going for the first few paragraphs. Under my lunatic fringe exterior is a very gullible person. Why did it have to be Weehawken though?

Sam Kurshan   |April.01.2008 Thank's LOL ( I lovingly call you that) for enlightening me.

Robert Schussel   |April.01.2008 Factoid For a person in the private sector to have a retirement income equivalent to what a Fireman making $100K per year receives after 30 years of service the Private sector person would need 1,500,000 in their 401K plus 25,000 anually from Social Security. I have not included the rich Health Benefits retired City Workers receive. How many in the private sector have a 401K of this size. On a personal note I would like to thank people for their discussion of Section 8 housing. Clearly our City suffers when Realtors and other small business owners put their own self interests ahead of those of the Community.Where is our 4 star Chamber of Commerce. Hopefully some of the more aggrevious abusers will be exposed.

Little Old Lady   |April.01.2008 Sam... Subsidized and affordable housing is a mom and apple pie issue that appears to be about fairness and social equity. But, like the Unions which you have so eloquently addressed, it has been hijacked to something other than intended. Now it is a cash cow for the "haves and have mores". Section 8 housing is actually inspected and the tenants screened. But it floats on a much bigger pool of substandard, unregulated and problematic housing. When neighborhoods are disproportionately rentals owned by absentee landlords, the quality of life declines and the whole neighborhood suffers. I have been told by insiders that Code Enforcement is actually reined in from tagging substandard housing because the Board of Realtors objects....under that "fairness" hype. Problems happen when someone legitimately acquires a Section 8 voucher then moves their daughter, two kids and the drug dealing boyfriend in (happened),then it is up to the neighborhood to get the attention of overburdened Code Enforcement and take the chance of retaliation. This issue should be evaluated on the facts and some performance criteria that define quality of life standards. How much of Vallejo's housing stock is owned by speculators and "investors". What are the economic impacts like reduced property taxes or increased public safety costs? How much rental housing is substandard under the Health and Safety Code? What neighborhoods are disproportionately rentals? Where are the halfway houses and drug rehab centers? What are the indicators of livability...crime, insurance rates, abandoned houses, pride of ownership...in various neighborhoods? What are the overall park and recreation standards...acreage per capita within 1/4 mile...and what neighborhoods are gravely underserved? For example, the older neighborhoods that once housing Mare Island workers are now high density, rental neighborhoods with no real parks nearby for kids to burn off steam. This is a regional issue. Marin, Napa and other surrounding rich communities foist their "affordable" housing needs off on cities like Vallejo then look down their noses at us. As transportation becomes ever more costly, affordable housing needs to be located in each community...not concentrated in a few gulags that disintegrate into what Vallejo is now facing...with low wage workers riding undependable public transit for hours to get to their jobs. The reason we dyed-in-the-wool liberals are thrown off balance so many times is because the "haves and have mores" have learned our language and use it to throw us off or start internal squabbling. If we want to talk about fairness, we can't keep pulling drowning people into our life raft because it is sinking.

J.M(rover123)   |April.01.2008 I believe all is good now. I actually put rover123, instead of J.M on my username. All is working fine however.

Mark H   |April.01.2008 Remember to post under April. Rover123, can you explain what happened?

J.M   |April.01.2008 Don't know what happened, but Rover123 is me "J.M."

J.M   |April.01.2008 I will be attempting to coordinate efforts to work with different Volunteer Organizations within Vallejo to include VIB, for future projects in the next several months. My Company has a yearly Rebuilding Together Coalition Team, where we seek to support volunteer groups. Focus has been on Emeryville, Berkeley and Oakland. However, if there is a volunteer organization you feel would benefit from additional support(labor,financial,structural,media)ect...I will propose this to our Media/Communications Director. We have already selected all our CPD partners for this year, however a volunteer group can be organized for next year(2009)never to early. We are doing projects in Alameda and Fremont this year and last year went to Walnut Creek so I definitely want to bring this great program to Vallejo & it should not be out of the question.

Firebug   |April.01.2008 ON another April Fools note I didn't get the TH this morning

Firebug   |April.01.2008

Shay58   |April.01.2008 Today's Exclusive was a total hoot!!! My first clue should have been the endearing phrase, "the fantastic four." Thanks for the laugh.

John K   |April.01.2008 Wow! Here in the Winslow Terrace area we're simply blown away by the incredible Exclusive Inside Leak that Spilled The Beans to VIB. This effectively ends the budget concession negotiations, eh? Viva Vallejo!

Mark H   |April.01.2008 I just upgraded the comment system which will hopefully take care of several of the little nagging problems. I'll get the comment form moved to the top of the screen as soon as I can. Also we enabled the registration feature. Look on the lower left hand corner of the menu bar for "Register". Enter your username, a real email address and a password and you're on your way. Pay attention to what is displayed and what isn't. Once registered you can edit your own posts or delete if you do the copy/paste routine and it doesn't work. It is not necessary to register in order to post. Please post if you run into any problems. Mark H